[MEI-L] Encoding of lyrics under a rest

[Agnes Seipelt]

Dear Axel and Anna, thanks for your answers!

@Axel: I had this in mind, too. The problem is that in this case the lyrics are with a not visible note (e.g. a space) and the rest has no lyrics again..

@Anna: I don’t mean the del itself is a tag-abuse but the fact that this construction is only valid because of the del. If the text were not deleted, the construction with rest and lyrics ( <rest><lyrics><verse/><lyrics><rest/> ) would not be valid. I hope you understand what I mean ;) 
For the context: I’d like to encode all the written text (music and text) of the manuscript, like a nearly diplomatic edition. 

Best,
Agnes

Agnes Seipelt M.A.
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> Am 06.03.2018 um 15:34 schrieb Anna Plaksin <annplaksin at gmx.net>:
> 
> Hi Agnes,
>  
> why do you think using <del> is tag abuse?
> You added a screenshot of a source showing this exact case to us. So, if you want to encode this particular case, I don’t think it is tag abuse to use <del> because it describes the case exactly as it is. Indeed, using <del> without the notion of describing the deleted text below that rest would be tag abuse.
> In another case this discussion could be made about the use of <sic>: Is it appropriate to use <sic> in a case, where something so severely erroneous needs to be encoded that it could not be valid without it?
>  
> I think, such decisions depend on the particular case. A transcription of a manuscript has other requirements than a critical or a performance edition.
>  
> It would be nice, if you could give a little more context of what you actually want to achieve in that particular case. That would help a lot.
>  
> Thanks in advance.
>  
> Regards,
> Anna
>  
> Von: Agnes Seipelt <mailto:aseipelt at mail.uni-paderborn.de>
> Gesendet: Dienstag, 6. März 2018 14:12
> An: Music Encoding Initiative <mailto:mei-l at lists.uni-paderborn.de>
> Betreff: [MEI-L] Encoding of lyrics under a rest
>  
> Dear MEI community,
> I hope that someone can help me with an encoding probIem. In the manuscript there are lyrics under a rest (that is obviously a mistake because the text is also crossed out). You can see it in the screenshot. 
> 
> I use MEI-CMN (and also tried MEI-all), rests cannot contain lyrics or verse, the only solution would be to integrate lyrics in a del-element within a rest:
>  
> <rest dur="4">
>                    <del>
>                         <lyrics>
>                              <verse/>
>                           </lyrics>
>                      </del>                                     
>                </rest>
>  
> In this case the lyrics are deleted so this would be a solution. But I think it is “tag-abuse” because the del-element is necessary to validate the document. 
> Another idea is to encode the lyrics as control event within the measure:
> …
> </staff>
>                    <lyrics synch="xy">
>                         <verse>
>                              <syl/>
>                          </verse>
>                     </lyrics>
> Unfortunately, there is no attribute like @tstamp or @startid to point to the element the lyrics are related to. There is only @synch that “points to elements that are synchronous with the current element”.  But I think this would also be “tag-abuse”.
> Does somebody have an idea how to solve this problem?
> Thanks in advance!
>  Agnes 
>  
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> Agnes Seipelt M.A.
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