[MEI-L] Antw.: Search

Thu Nov 8 13:15:43 CET 2012

Hi me again,
UPB is currently testing mailman 3. Concerning search and archiver, the 
beta release website says: "Mailman 3 exposes a REST administrative 
interface to the web, communicates with archivers via decoupled 
interfaces, and leaves summary, search, and retrieval of archived 
messages to a separate application (a simple implementation is provided)"
Although UPB can't provide us with a switch date we might still wait and 
hope, before we set up anything own ;-)

Meanwhile use Thomas Weber's suggestion for searching the archive.

cheers,
Benjamin

Benjamin Wolff Bohl

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Am 08.11.2012 12:05, schrieb Benjamin W. Bohl:
> Hi all,
> As we learned from the UPB today, they won't make any changes to the 
> current mailman installation as they are preparing a new version. 
> Looking at the features of the latest mailman release doesn't make 
> much hope either (even the mailman-dev list uses an external archiver 
> for their searchable archive...), although it provides a hook for 
> external archivers.
> I'll investigate a little though, as to know whether the UPB provides 
> a solution with their new mailman installation.
>
> Cheers,
> Benjamin
>
> ----- Reply message -----
> Von: "Peter Stadler" <stadler at edirom.de>
> An: "Music Encoding Initiative" <mei-l at lists.uni-paderborn.de>
> Betreff: [MEI-L] Search
> Datum: Mi., Nov. 7, 2012 18:59
>
>
> Just for the record:
>
> I already volunteered to bring MEI-L to Markmail and/or Nabble (cf. 
> https://lists.uni-paderborn.de/pipermail/mei-l/2011/000373.html) but 
> my efforts got stuck somehow ... sorry for that.
>
> Actually, I do agree that a native search interface for mailman would 
> be the best thing -- if this doesn't work out I'd be happy to revive 
> the nabble/markmail integration. (All I'd need though is the complete 
> mail archive from the list owner.)
>
> Best Peter
>
>
> Am 06.11.2012 um 05:15 schrieb Johannes Kepper <kepper at edirom.de>:
>
> > Hi Andrew,
> >
> > I've never looked at Markmail etc. without using an adblocker, so I 
> wasn't aware of this problem. But in my understanding, such mirrors 
> would be additional ways of accessing the archive, and as with TEI, 
> they wouldn't be "official". So I don't see this as a big problem. If 
> someone want's to use their ui, he has to live with their spam.
> >
> > Benjamin contacted Paderborn's IT services today regarding the 
> installation of additional plugins to mailman, which could provide a 
> search interface to the existing mailer (thanks for that, Benni). 
> Normally, they're quite supportive, so we should give them a couple of 
> days. If possible, I would like to keep the official mailer in their 
> hands, as we don't have to care about technical issues, changing 
> policies or business models etc.
> >
> > We will keep you posted regarding the possibilities in Paderborn.
> >
> > jo
> >
> > Am 06.11.2012 um 12:01 schrieb Andrew Hankinson:
> >
> >> Markmail, OSDir, Nabble, etc. wrap mailing list content in ads to 
> make money on search engine traffic. Personally I find these mailing 
> list aggregators are pretty frustrating, since they add a whole bunch 
> of hits to a Google search, often of the exact same message. But maybe 
> this is a case where something is better than nothing.
> >>
> >> Markmail has a content policy that we should read and see if there 
> are any problems with it.
> >>
> >> http://markmail.org/docs/content-policy.xqy
> >>
> >> -Andrew
> >>
> >> On 2012-11-06, at 10:31 AM, Benjamin Wolff Bohl <bohl at edirom.de> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi all,
> >>> please ignore the last post, I missed that this specific archive 
> misses the search option... sorry
> >>>
> >>> Benjamin
> >>>
> >>> Am 06.11.2012 um 10:21 schrieb Benjamin Wolff Bohl:
> >>>
> >>>> Hi Johannes,
> >>>> you being the admin of the list should have the possibility to 
> configure mailman to maintain an archive, resp. to set privileges for 
> archive access, being either subscribers only or public.
> >>>>
> >>>> Cheers,
> >>>> Benjamin
> >>>>
> >>>> Am 06.11.2012 um 10:10 schrieb Johannes Kepper:
> >>>>
> >>>>> From what I see, Google Groups still seems quite traditional. I 
> looked up what TEI used as mirror, and particularly
> >>>>>
> >>>>> http://markmail.org/search/?q=list%3Aedu.brown.listserv.tei-l
> >>>>>
> >>>>> seems to be a great tool. But my understanding is that the 
> current mailman instance in Paderborn stays the official mailing list, 
> and all other sites are just mirrors of that (which means that all 
> mails are send through the current mei-l). If we agree on that, there 
> is no striking argument to provide only one such additional archive...
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Johannes
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Am 06.11.2012 um 01:51 schrieb Eleanor Selfridge-Field:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Why starstarhug for mei?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>> From: mei-l-bounces at lists.uni-paderborn.de
> >>>>>> [mailto:mei-l-bounces at lists.uni-paderborn.de] On Behalf Of 
> Craig Sapp
> >>>>>> Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2012 4:38 PM
> >>>>>> To: Music Encoding Initiative
> >>>>>> Subject: Re: [MEI-L] Search
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Hi Johannes,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at 3:49 PM, Johannes Kepper 
> <kepper at edirom.de> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I'm afraid that Paderborn's list server doesn't offer more 
> than that. I
> >>>>>> know that TEI-L is mirrored on some more accessible listservs. 
> Basically
> >>>>>> all mails are still served by the original list, but would also be
> >>>>>> archived somewhere else. I don't know the software they use 
> right now,
> >>>>>> though. Maybe that's something we want to offer for MEI-L as well.
> >>>>>> Opinions?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> My opinion is that lists should be hosted by Google Groups.  In 
> particular
> >>>>>> this allows for a web interface to the posting which is 
> searchable.  Here
> >>>>>> is the one I set up for Humdrum a few years ago which has all 
> postings
> >>>>>> since the first one in July 2009:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!forum/starstarhug
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Google Groups allows many configurations such as 
> public/private, allows
> >>>>>> for joining by anyone or by invitation, allows posts to be 
> moderated or
> >>>>>> open.  For **HUG (Humdrum Users Group), I allow anyone to join. 
>  New
> >>>>>> members' posts are moderated, and when their first post is 
> non-spam, I
> >>>>>> promote them to a full unmoderated member.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I created an mei-l group:
> >>>>>> https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!forum/mei-l
> >>>>>> which I can setup further if that is of interest (or this list 
> could
> >>>>>> perhaps subscribe to the Paderborn one which would in effect 
> allow for
> >>>>>> archiving and searchability of the current list).  The group 
> can be posted
> >>>>>> to online from that webpage, or via email from:
> >>>>>> starstarhug at googlegroups.com
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> -=+Craig
> >>>>>>
>
>
> -- 
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