[MEI-L] Antw.: Search

Thu Nov 8 12:05:48 CET 2012

Hi all,
As we learned from the UPB today, they won't make any changes to the current mailman installation as they are preparing a new version. Looking at the features of the latest mailman release doesn't make much hope either (even the mailman-dev list uses an external archiver for their searchable archive...), although it provides a hook for external archivers.
I'll investigate a little though, as to know whether the UPB provides a solution with their new mailman installation.

Cheers,
Benjamin

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Von: "Peter Stadler" <stadler at edirom.de>
An: "Music Encoding Initiative" <mei-l at lists.uni-paderborn.de>
Betreff: [MEI-L] Search
Datum: Mi., Nov. 7, 2012 18:59

Just for the record:

I already volunteered to bring MEI-L to Markmail and/or Nabble (cf. https://lists.uni-paderborn.de/pipermail/mei-l/2011/000373.html) but my efforts got stuck somehow … sorry for that.

Actually, I do agree that a native search interface for mailman would be the best thing -- if this doesn't work out I'd be happy to revive the nabble/markmail integration. (All I'd need though is the complete mail archive from the list owner.)

Best Peter

Am 06.11.2012 um 05:15 schrieb Johannes Kepper <kepper at edirom.de>:

> Hi Andrew,
> 
> I've never looked at Markmail etc. without using an adblocker, so I wasn't aware of this problem. But in my understanding, such mirrors would be additional ways of accessing the archive, and as with TEI, they wouldn't be "official". So I don't see this as a big problem. If someone want's to use their ui, he has to live with their spam. 
> 
> Benjamin contacted Paderborn's IT services today regarding the installation of additional plugins to mailman, which could provide a search interface to the existing mailer (thanks for that, Benni). Normally, they're quite supportive, so we should give them a couple of days. If possible, I would like to keep the official mailer in their hands, as we don't have to care about technical issues, changing policies or business models etc. 
> 
> We will keep you posted regarding the possibilities in Paderborn. 
> 
> jo
> 
> Am 06.11.2012 um 12:01 schrieb Andrew Hankinson:
> 
>> Markmail, OSDir, Nabble, etc. wrap mailing list content in ads to make money on search engine traffic. Personally I find these mailing list aggregators are pretty frustrating, since they add a whole bunch of hits to a Google search, often of the exact same message. But maybe this is a case where something is better than nothing.
>> 
>> Markmail has a content policy that we should read and see if there are any problems with it.
>> 
>> http://markmail.org/docs/content-policy.xqy
>> 
>> -Andrew
>> 
>> On 2012-11-06, at 10:31 AM, Benjamin Wolff Bohl <bohl at edirom.de> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> please ignore the last post, I missed that this specific archive misses the search option… sorry
>>> 
>>> Benjamin
>>> 
>>> Am 06.11.2012 um 10:21 schrieb Benjamin Wolff Bohl:
>>> 
>>>> Hi Johannes,
>>>> you being the admin of the list should have the possibility to configure mailman to maintain an archive, resp. to set privileges for archive access, being either subscribers only or public.
>>>> 
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Benjamin
>>>> 
>>>> Am 06.11.2012 um 10:10 schrieb Johannes Kepper:
>>>> 
>>>>> From what I see, Google Groups still seems quite traditional. I looked up what TEI used as mirror, and particularly 
>>>>> 
>>>>> http://markmail.org/search/?q=list%3Aedu.brown.listserv.tei-l
>>>>> 
>>>>> seems to be a great tool. But my understanding is that the current mailman instance in Paderborn stays the official mailing list, and all other sites are just mirrors of that (which means that all mails are send through the current mei-l). If we agree on that, there is no striking argument to provide only one such additional archive…
>>>>> 
>>>>> Johannes
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Am 06.11.2012 um 01:51 schrieb Eleanor Selfridge-Field:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Why starstarhug for mei?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: mei-l-bounces at lists.uni-paderborn.de
>>>>>> [mailto:mei-l-bounces at lists.uni-paderborn.de] On Behalf Of Craig Sapp
>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2012 4:38 PM
>>>>>> To: Music Encoding Initiative
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [MEI-L] Search
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi Johannes,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at 3:49 PM, Johannes Kepper <kepper at edirom.de> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I'm afraid that Paderborn's list server doesn't offer more than that. I
>>>>>> know that TEI-L is mirrored on some more accessible listservs. Basically
>>>>>> all mails are still served by the original list, but would also be
>>>>>> archived somewhere else. I don't know the software they use right now,
>>>>>> though. Maybe that's something we want to offer for MEI-L as well.
>>>>>> Opinions?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> My opinion is that lists should be hosted by Google Groups.  In particular
>>>>>> this allows for a web interface to the posting which is searchable.  Here
>>>>>> is the one I set up for Humdrum a few years ago which has all postings
>>>>>> since the first one in July 2009:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!forum/starstarhug
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Google Groups allows many configurations such as public/private, allows
>>>>>> for joining by anyone or by invitation, allows posts to be moderated or
>>>>>> open.  For **HUG (Humdrum Users Group), I allow anyone to join.  New
>>>>>> members' posts are moderated, and when their first post is non-spam, I
>>>>>> promote them to a full unmoderated member.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I created an mei-l group:
>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!forum/mei-l
>>>>>> which I can setup further if that is of interest (or this list could
>>>>>> perhaps subscribe to the Paderborn one which would in effect allow for
>>>>>> archiving and searchability of the current list).  The group can be posted
>>>>>> to online from that webpage, or via email from:
>>>>>> starstarhug at googlegroups.com
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -=+Craig
>>>>>> 

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