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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Hi me again,<br>
UPB is currently testing mailman 3. Concerning search and
archiver, the beta release website says: "Mailman 3 exposes a REST
administrative interface to the web,
communicates with archivers via decoupled interfaces, and leaves
summary,
search, and retrieval of archived messages to a separate
application (a simple
implementation is provided)"<br>
Although UPB can't provide us with a switch date we might still
wait and hope, before we set up anything own ;-)<br>
<br>
Meanwhile use Thomas Weber's suggestion for searching the archive.<br>
<br>
cheers,<br>
Benjamin<br>
<pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Benjamin Wolff Bohl
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Edirom - Projekt "Digitale Musikedition"
Musikwissenschaftliches Seminar Detmold/Paderborn
Gartenstraße 20
D – 32756 Detmold
Tel. +49 (0) 5231 / 975-669
Fax: +49 (0) 5231 / 975-668
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.edirom.de">http://www.edirom.de</a>
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Am 08.11.2012 12:05, schrieb Benjamin W. Bohl:<br>
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cite="mid:0LuFoB-1TNrXH43b5-011GIA@mrelayeu.kundenserver.de"
type="cite">Hi all,<br>
As we learned from the UPB today, they won't make any changes to
the current mailman installation as they are preparing a new
version. Looking at the features of the latest mailman release
doesn't make much hope either (even the mailman-dev list uses an
external archiver for their searchable archive...), although it
provides a hook for external archivers.<br>
I'll investigate a little though, as to know whether the UPB
provides a solution with their new mailman installation.<br>
<br>
Cheers,<br>
Benjamin<br>
<br>
----- Reply message -----<br>
Von: "Peter Stadler" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:stadler@edirom.de"><stadler@edirom.de></a><br>
An: "Music Encoding Initiative"
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:mei-l@lists.uni-paderborn.de"><mei-l@lists.uni-paderborn.de></a><br>
Betreff: [MEI-L] Search<br>
Datum: Mi., Nov. 7, 2012 18:59<br>
<br>
<br>
Just for the record:<br>
<br>
I already volunteered to bring MEI-L to Markmail and/or Nabble
(cf.
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://lists.uni-paderborn.de/pipermail/mei-l/2011/000373.html">https://lists.uni-paderborn.de/pipermail/mei-l/2011/000373.html</a>)
but my efforts got stuck somehow … sorry for that.<br>
<br>
Actually, I do agree that a native search interface for mailman
would be the best thing -- if this doesn't work out I'd be happy
to revive the nabble/markmail integration. (All I'd need though is
the complete mail archive from the list owner.)<br>
<br>
Best Peter<br>
<br>
<br>
Am 06.11.2012 um 05:15 schrieb Johannes Kepper
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:kepper@edirom.de"><kepper@edirom.de></a>:<br>
<br>
> Hi Andrew,<br>
> <br>
> I've never looked at Markmail etc. without using an
adblocker, so I wasn't aware of this problem. But in my
understanding, such mirrors would be additional ways of accessing
the archive, and as with TEI, they wouldn't be "official". So I
don't see this as a big problem. If someone want's to use their
ui, he has to live with their spam. <br>
> <br>
> Benjamin contacted Paderborn's IT services today regarding
the installation of additional plugins to mailman, which could
provide a search interface to the existing mailer (thanks for
that, Benni). Normally, they're quite supportive, so we should
give them a couple of days. If possible, I would like to keep the
official mailer in their hands, as we don't have to care about
technical issues, changing policies or business models etc. <br>
> <br>
> We will keep you posted regarding the possibilities in
Paderborn. <br>
> <br>
> jo<br>
> <br>
> Am 06.11.2012 um 12:01 schrieb Andrew Hankinson:<br>
> <br>
>> Markmail, OSDir, Nabble, etc. wrap mailing list content
in ads to make money on search engine traffic. Personally I find
these mailing list aggregators are pretty frustrating, since they
add a whole bunch of hits to a Google search, often of the exact
same message. But maybe this is a case where something is better
than nothing.<br>
>> <br>
>> Markmail has a content policy that we should read and see
if there are any problems with it.<br>
>> <br>
>> <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://markmail.org/docs/content-policy.xqy">http://markmail.org/docs/content-policy.xqy</a><br>
>> <br>
>> -Andrew<br>
>> <br>
>> On 2012-11-06, at 10:31 AM, Benjamin Wolff Bohl
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:bohl@edirom.de"><bohl@edirom.de></a> wrote:<br>
>> <br>
>>> Hi all,<br>
>>> please ignore the last post, I missed that this
specific archive misses the search option… sorry<br>
>>> <br>
>>> Benjamin<br>
>>> <br>
>>> Am 06.11.2012 um 10:21 schrieb Benjamin Wolff Bohl:<br>
>>> <br>
>>>> Hi Johannes,<br>
>>>> you being the admin of the list should have the
possibility to configure mailman to maintain an archive, resp. to
set privileges for archive access, being either subscribers only
or public.<br>
>>>> <br>
>>>> Cheers,<br>
>>>> Benjamin<br>
>>>> <br>
>>>> Am 06.11.2012 um 10:10 schrieb Johannes Kepper:<br>
>>>> <br>
>>>>> From what I see, Google Groups still seems
quite traditional. I looked up what TEI used as mirror, and
particularly <br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://markmail.org/search/?q=list%3Aedu.brown.listserv.tei-l">http://markmail.org/search/?q=list%3Aedu.brown.listserv.tei-l</a><br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>> seems to be a great tool. But my
understanding is that the current mailman instance in Paderborn
stays the official mailing list, and all other sites are just
mirrors of that (which means that all mails are send through the
current mei-l). If we agree on that, there is no striking argument
to provide only one such additional archive…<br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>> Johannes<br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>> Am 06.11.2012 um 01:51 schrieb Eleanor
Selfridge-Field:<br>
>>>>> <br>
>>>>>> Why starstarhug for mei?<br>
>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----<br>
>>>>>> From:
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:mei-l-bounces@lists.uni-paderborn.de">mei-l-bounces@lists.uni-paderborn.de</a><br>
>>>>>>
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:mei-l-bounces@lists.uni-paderborn.de">mailto:mei-l-bounces@lists.uni-paderborn.de</a>] On Behalf Of Craig
Sapp<br>
>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2012 4:38 PM<br>
>>>>>> To: Music Encoding Initiative<br>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [MEI-L] Search<br>
>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>> Hi Johannes,<br>
>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>> On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at 3:49 PM, Johannes
Kepper <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:kepper@edirom.de"><kepper@edirom.de></a> wrote:<br>
>>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>>> I'm afraid that Paderborn's list
server doesn't offer more than that. I<br>
>>>>>> know that TEI-L is mirrored on some more
accessible listservs. Basically<br>
>>>>>> all mails are still served by the
original list, but would also be<br>
>>>>>> archived somewhere else. I don't know the
software they use right now,<br>
>>>>>> though. Maybe that's something we want to
offer for MEI-L as well.<br>
>>>>>> Opinions?<br>
>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>> My opinion is that lists should be hosted
by Google Groups. In particular<br>
>>>>>> this allows for a web interface to the
posting which is searchable. Here<br>
>>>>>> is the one I set up for Humdrum a few
years ago which has all postings<br>
>>>>>> since the first one in July 2009:<br>
>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!forum/starstarhug">https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!forum/starstarhug</a><br>
>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>> Google Groups allows many configurations
such as public/private, allows<br>
>>>>>> for joining by anyone or by invitation,
allows posts to be moderated or<br>
>>>>>> open. For **HUG (Humdrum Users Group), I
allow anyone to join. New<br>
>>>>>> members' posts are moderated, and when
their first post is non-spam, I<br>
>>>>>> promote them to a full unmoderated
member.<br>
>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>> I created an mei-l group:<br>
>>>>>>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!forum/mei-l">https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!forum/mei-l</a><br>
>>>>>> which I can setup further if that is of
interest (or this list could<br>
>>>>>> perhaps subscribe to the Paderborn one
which would in effect allow for<br>
>>>>>> archiving and searchability of the
current list). The group can be posted<br>
>>>>>> to online from that webpage, or via email
from:<br>
>>>>>> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:starstarhug@googlegroups.com">starstarhug@googlegroups.com</a><br>
>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>> <br>
>>>>>> -=+Craig<br>
>>>>>> <br>
<br>
<br>
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Arbeitsstelle Detmold<br>
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Tel. +49 5231 975-665<br>
Fax: +49 5231 975-668<br>
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