[mei-neumes-ig] Background

[Kate Helsen]

Thanks, Perry. I think the 'hand' element is a good place to start thinking
about placing this kind of information.

K.

On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 10:40 AM, Roland, Perry D. (pdr4h) <
pdr4h at eservices.virginia.edu> wrote:

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> Hi Kate,
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> MEI already has a general way of handling the description of scribal
> hands.  As you observe, there's no compelling reason to put the description
> on every element / neume.  So, MEI provides the <hand> element, which holds
> the description, and the @hand attribute, which members of the
> att.handident class can use to reference the description.  Currently
> there's no machine-processable way (using a dedicated attribute on <hand>,
> for instance) to indicate scribal angle.  But that's something that can be
> considered as part of the neume revision process.
>
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> p.
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> *From:* mei-neumes-ig [mailto:mei-neumes-ig-bounces at lists.uni-paderborn.de]
> *On Behalf Of *Kate Helsen
> *Sent:* Monday, June 13, 2016 10:22 AM
> *To:* Neumes Interest Group of the Music Encoding Initiative
> *Subject:* Re: [mei-neumes-ig] Background
>
>
>
> Scribal angle just means the generalized angle that the scribe uses to
> express pitches going up or down within a neume itself. For example, in a
> neume that represents three pitches going up and then two going down, the
> scribe might write the three ascending ones almost right over top of one
> another (a "vertical angle") and then the descending ones with more of a
> wide angle - pointing sort of 'south-east', if you like. Another scribe
> from a different geographic area might make the ascending pitches at more
> of a 45 degree angle with the descending ones almost straight up and down.
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> I'm not sure that we totally *need* to express this in every neume, since
> it is usually a feature of scribal habit or tradition and will be the same
> throughout the entire manuscript - or at least everything that is written
> by that scribe and others trained in a similar way. But it is something
> that semiologists talk about a lot because it helps distinguish, at a
> glance, one scribal tradition from another. (People often also talk about
> how the more vertical renderings were more amenable to the musical staff,
> once it came along.)
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> Cheers,
>
> K
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> On Sun, Jun 12, 2016 at 9:50 PM, Ichiro Fujinaga <ich at music.mcgill.ca>
> wrote:
>
> Greetings,
>
> Perry Roland has graciously offered to help us with building the MEI Neume
> Customization Module.
>
> Here’s what I sent to him.
> If there’re any corrections or additions please post them here.
>
> He has questions which I will post separately.
>
> Ich
>
> > On Jun 7, 2016, at 11:28 AM, Ichiro Fujinaga <ich at music.mcgill.ca>
> wrote:
> >
> > That would be great!
> > Thank you for offering your expertise!
> >
> > I’ll try to summarize what we discussed:
> >
> > First, a neume consists of one or more neume component(s) (nc);
> musicologists call this a “pitch”.
> >
> > For each nc, there are two major (mandatory?) properties: “relation to
> previous” and “connection (type)”.
> > “Relation to previous” is basically the relative height position to the
> previous nc.
> > “Connection” is how the current nc is connected to the previous nc.
> >
> > There seems to be six (6) different types of “relation to previous”:
> High, Low, Neutral (or Unknown), Same, Same or higher, and Same or lower.
> >
> > The eight (8) “connection” types are: Curbed clockwise, Curbed
> anti-clockwise, Angular, Gap, Quilisma curve 2,  Quilisma curve 3, Looped,
> and V-shape.
> >
> > Then there are several optional attributes or modifications that can be
> applied to each nc:
> > Episema, Liquescent, Jagged, Oriscus, Long, Flat, and Crook.
> >
> > Finally, there are attributes/modification that can be applied to the
> entire neume:
> > Significative letters, After lower, After higher, Hispanic tick 1, and
> Hispanic tick 2.
> >
> > There are other symbols unrelated to nuemes, such as clefs, repeat
> signs, modal alphabetic letters, repetenda signs, custos, unknown or
> “Mysterious” symbols, and scribal angle (I don’t know what this means).
> >
> > I’m attaching a spreadsheet containing some of examples of neumes with
> some of the combinations of the above attributes.
> > There are some codings in there that needs clarification, such as “op”
> and “W3”. I will ask on the neume mailing list.
> >
> > I hope I’ve given you something to get started. Let me know if you have
> questions, most of which I will probably have to referred to the experts.
> >
> > Thank you again for your help!
> >
> > Ich
> >
>
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