[MEI-L] Sample encoding of mensural notation

Mon Jan 16 11:27:23 CET 2017

You have quite a few self-closing note tag ( <note />), but also a </note>. (lines 66, 87, 124, etc.)

-Andrew

> On Jan 16, 2017, at 10:10 AM, Daniel Alles <DanielAlles at stud.uni-frankfurt.de> wrote:
> 
> Hi Martha,
> 
> your solution sounds good and is very logically, but it seems not to work for me: I deleted @dots, added @num, @numbase and @modusminor as suggested and added <dot/> everywhere needed. Now Verovio displays the Cantus only, and just the part before the first @num-attribute (see attached PNG-file). I can't find the mistake...
> 
> Additionally, there seems a problem with the mensur-sign. Instead of a C with one slash (as encoded), Verovio just shows the slash. Is there something I can do about that?
> 
> And (last question, I hope) is there a possibility to beam semiminimae in Verovio correctly? I remember them not being displayed as a kind of beamed 8ths, but as to semiminimae (with flag) and a not good positioned beam...
> 
> I'll attach my corrected MEI-file again.
> 
> Daniel
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Zitat von Martha Thomae <thomaemartha at gmail.com <mailto:thomaemartha at gmail.com>>:
> 
> > Ups! Sorry for that last part. It is not a Verovio problem. I just realize
> > that in your <mensur> elements you have @tempus="2" (which means that a
> > breve = 2 semibreves) and @prolatio="2" (which means a semibreve = 2
> > minimas), but you haven't stablished the relationship between the longa and
> > the breve. To do this you should use @modusminor. As you want the longa = 2
> > breves, you should use @modusminor="2". If you don't specify this value,
> > Verovio will assume it is "3". That is why your longa was assumed to be
> > equal to 3 breves, you can clearly see this at the beginning of the tenor,
> > where the longa rest occupies the same space as 3 breves in the other
> > voices.
> >
> > On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 2:37 AM, Martha Thomae <thomaemartha at gmail.com <mailto:thomaemartha at gmail.com>>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Hi Daniel,
> >>
> >> I took a look at your files. I think the mistake is the way that the dots
> >> are encoded. In Mensural MEI you don't use the attribute @dots. Any dot
> >> after a note is encoded as an element <dot/>. And if this dot is behaving
> >> as a "dot of addition" (which is called "dot of augmentation") you have to
> >> add two attributes: @num and @numbase. These attributes change the note's
> >> value. If the dot is a 'dot of augmentation' you should use @num="2" and
> >> @numbase="3" (this will make your note 1.5 times its original value).
> >>
> >> There is an example in the Verovio file that we talked about. So for a dot
> >> of addition you must do:
> >>
> >> <note pname="b" dur="semiminima" oct="4" num="2" numbase="3"/><!--
> >> augm --><dot/>
> >>
> >>
> >> I made these changes to your file and all voices lined up except for the
> >> tenor. I realized this is because the <rest dur="longa"/> at the beginning
> >> is given a duration of 3 breves instead of 2 breves, this is not a mistake
> >> in your encoding, but in the way Verovio is interpreting that "longa" rest.
> >> I will raise an issue about it. Besides that, everything should be working
> >> fine.
> >>
> >> Hope this helps,
> >>
> >> Martha
> >> --
> >> Martha E. Thomae
> >> DDMAL Lab,
> >> Music Technology
> >> McGill University
> >>
> >> On Sun, Jan 15, 2017 at 5:27 PM, Daniel Alles <DanielAlles at stud.uni <mailto:DanielAlles at stud.uni>-
> >> frankfurt.de> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hello,
> >>>
> >>> I'll attach the samples to this email. The sources can be found at
> >>> https://www.dropbox.com/sh/15v9inaose2z8e8/AACXfPru5v3H5fg2cwgNZJFKa?dl=0 <https://www.dropbox.com/sh/15v9inaose2z8e8/AACXfPru5v3H5fg2cwgNZJFKa?dl=0>
> >>>
> >>> Best regards,
> >>> Daniel
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Zitat von Andrew Hankinson <andrew.hankinson at mail.mcgill.ca <mailto:andrew.hankinson at mail.mcgill.ca>>:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> > Can you send along a sample of your encoding? We can help you better
> >>> > if we can see what you did.
> >>> >
> >>> > -Andrew
> >>> >
> >>> >> On Jan 14, 2017, at 10:29 PM, Daniel Alles
> >>> >> <DanielAlles at stud.uni-frankfurt.de <mailto:DanielAlles at stud.uni-frankfurt.de>> wrote:
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Hi Martha and all the others,
> >>> >>
> >>> >> thank you very much for your replies, they helped me very much in
> >>> >> understanding the encoding of MN. Especially Martha's hint to the
> >>> >> Verovio-website was very useful (although I don't understand
> >>> >> completely "coloration including augmentation/imperfectino", but
> >>> >> that's Ok for the moment). A thing that confuses me a lot is the
> >>> >> displaying of the Verovio-MEI-viewer: I have the impression, that it
> >>> >> doesn't align the corect "beats" vertically; I already recognized
> >>> >> this when rendering my attempt. Is that right? How can I fix that?
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Best regard,
> >>> >> Daniel
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Zitat von Martha Thomae <thomaemartha at gmail.com <mailto:thomaemartha at gmail.com>>:
> >>> >>
> >>> >>> Hi Daniel
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> Perry is right, the JRP only contains modern transcription of mensural
> >>> >>> music.
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> I am currently working with Mensural MEI files, and something I found
> >>> >>> really useful is an example of a Mensural MEI file in the Verovio
> >>> webpage
> >>> >>> at this particular address:
> >>> >>> *http://www.verovio.org/features.xhtml?id=mensural <http://www.verovio.org/features.xhtml?id=mensural>
> >>> >>> <http://www.verovio.org/features.xhtml?id=mensural <http://www.verovio.org/features.xhtml?id=mensural>>*
> >>> >>> You can download the whole file (it is larger than the short excerpt
> >>> shown
> >>> >>> there). It includes everything one needs know, you can see how they
> >>> encoded
> >>> >>> imperfections, alterations, dots and their effect in the note
> >>> (augmentation
> >>> >>> or division), changes in mensuration, etc. It also includes
> >>> coloration, but
> >>> >>> I think there is no agreement between the Mensural MEI community in
> >>> how to
> >>> >>> encode this particular feature (although I think the way it is
> >>> encoded in
> >>> >>> this example from the Verovio webpage is really good).
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> Hope this helps,
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> Martha
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> Martha E. Thomae
> >>> >>> DDMAL Lab,
> >>> >>> Music Technology
> >>> >>> McGill University
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
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