[MEI-L] Sample encoding of mensural notation

Mon Jan 16 21:03:30 CET 2017

Thank you Andrew, that was definitely one of my  
"copy-and-paste-stupidities". Now it works fine.

Daniel

Zitat von Andrew Hankinson <andrew.hankinson at mail.mcgill.ca>:

> You have quite a few self-closing note tag ( <note />), but also a  
> </note>. (lines 66, 87, 124, etc.)
>
> -Andrew
>
>> On Jan 16, 2017, at 10:10 AM, Daniel Alles  
>> <DanielAlles at stud.uni-frankfurt.de> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Martha,
>>
>> your solution sounds good and is very logically, but it seems not  
>> to work for me: I deleted @dots, added @num, @numbase and  
>> @modusminor as suggested and added <dot/> everywhere needed. Now  
>> Verovio displays the Cantus only, and just the part before the  
>> first @num-attribute (see attached PNG-file). I can't find the  
>> mistake...
>>
>> Additionally, there seems a problem with the mensur-sign. Instead  
>> of a C with one slash (as encoded), Verovio just shows the slash.  
>> Is there something I can do about that?
>>
>> And (last question, I hope) is there a possibility to beam  
>> semiminimae in Verovio correctly? I remember them not being  
>> displayed as a kind of beamed 8ths, but as to semiminimae (with  
>> flag) and a not good positioned beam...
>>
>> I'll attach my corrected MEI-file again.
>>
>> Daniel
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Zitat von Martha Thomae <thomaemartha at gmail.com  
>> <mailto:thomaemartha at gmail.com>>:
>>
>> > Ups! Sorry for that last part. It is not a Verovio problem. I just realize
>> > that in your <mensur> elements you have @tempus="2" (which means that a
>> > breve = 2 semibreves) and @prolatio="2" (which means a semibreve = 2
>> > minimas), but you haven't stablished the relationship between the  
>> longa and
>> > the breve. To do this you should use @modusminor. As you want the  
>> longa = 2
>> > breves, you should use @modusminor="2". If you don't specify this value,
>> > Verovio will assume it is "3". That is why your longa was assumed to be
>> > equal to 3 breves, you can clearly see this at the beginning of the tenor,
>> > where the longa rest occupies the same space as 3 breves in the other
>> > voices.
>> >
>> > On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 2:37 AM, Martha Thomae  
>> <thomaemartha at gmail.com <mailto:thomaemartha at gmail.com>>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >> Hi Daniel,
>> >>
>> >> I took a look at your files. I think the mistake is the way that the dots
>> >> are encoded. In Mensural MEI you don't use the attribute @dots. Any dot
>> >> after a note is encoded as an element <dot/>. And if this dot is behaving
>> >> as a "dot of addition" (which is called "dot of augmentation")  
>> you have to
>> >> add two attributes: @num and @numbase. These attributes change the note's
>> >> value. If the dot is a 'dot of augmentation' you should use @num="2" and
>> >> @numbase="3" (this will make your note 1.5 times its original value).
>> >>
>> >> There is an example in the Verovio file that we talked about. So  
>> for a dot
>> >> of addition you must do:
>> >>
>> >> <note pname="b" dur="semiminima" oct="4" num="2" numbase="3"/><!--
>> >> augm --><dot/>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> I made these changes to your file and all voices lined up except for the
>> >> tenor. I realized this is because the <rest dur="longa"/> at the  
>> beginning
>> >> is given a duration of 3 breves instead of 2 breves, this is not  
>> a mistake
>> >> in your encoding, but in the way Verovio is interpreting that  
>> "longa" rest.
>> >> I will raise an issue about it. Besides that, everything should  
>> be working
>> >> fine.
>> >>
>> >> Hope this helps,
>> >>
>> >> Martha
>> >> --
>> >> Martha E. Thomae
>> >> DDMAL Lab,
>> >> Music Technology
>> >> McGill University
>> >>
>> >> On Sun, Jan 15, 2017 at 5:27 PM, Daniel Alles  
>> <DanielAlles at stud.uni <mailto:DanielAlles at stud.uni>-
>> >> frankfurt.de> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Hello,
>> >>>
>> >>> I'll attach the samples to this email. The sources can be found at
>> >>>  
>> https://www.dropbox.com/sh/15v9inaose2z8e8/AACXfPru5v3H5fg2cwgNZJFKa?dl=0  
>> <https://www.dropbox.com/sh/15v9inaose2z8e8/AACXfPru5v3H5fg2cwgNZJFKa?dl=0>
>> >>>
>> >>> Best regards,
>> >>> Daniel
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Zitat von Andrew Hankinson <andrew.hankinson at mail.mcgill.ca  
>> <mailto:andrew.hankinson at mail.mcgill.ca>>:
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> > Can you send along a sample of your encoding? We can help you better
>> >>> > if we can see what you did.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > -Andrew
>> >>> >
>> >>> >> On Jan 14, 2017, at 10:29 PM, Daniel Alles
>> >>> >> <DanielAlles at stud.uni-frankfurt.de  
>> <mailto:DanielAlles at stud.uni-frankfurt.de>> wrote:
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> Hi Martha and all the others,
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> thank you very much for your replies, they helped me very much in
>> >>> >> understanding the encoding of MN. Especially Martha's hint to the
>> >>> >> Verovio-website was very useful (although I don't understand
>> >>> >> completely "coloration including augmentation/imperfectino", but
>> >>> >> that's Ok for the moment). A thing that confuses me a lot is the
>> >>> >> displaying of the Verovio-MEI-viewer: I have the impression, that it
>> >>> >> doesn't align the corect "beats" vertically; I already recognized
>> >>> >> this when rendering my attempt. Is that right? How can I fix that?
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> Best regard,
>> >>> >> Daniel
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> Zitat von Martha Thomae <thomaemartha at gmail.com  
>> <mailto:thomaemartha at gmail.com>>:
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >>> Hi Daniel
>> >>> >>>
>> >>> >>> Perry is right, the JRP only contains modern transcription  
>> of mensural
>> >>> >>> music.
>> >>> >>>
>> >>> >>> I am currently working with Mensural MEI files, and  
>> something I found
>> >>> >>> really useful is an example of a Mensural MEI file in the Verovio
>> >>> webpage
>> >>> >>> at this particular address:
>> >>> >>> *http://www.verovio.org/features.xhtml?id=mensural  
>> <http://www.verovio.org/features.xhtml?id=mensural>
>> >>> >>> <http://www.verovio.org/features.xhtml?id=mensural  
>> <http://www.verovio.org/features.xhtml?id=mensural>>*
>> >>> >>> You can download the whole file (it is larger than the short excerpt
>> >>> shown
>> >>> >>> there). It includes everything one needs know, you can see how they
>> >>> encoded
>> >>> >>> imperfections, alterations, dots and their effect in the note
>> >>> (augmentation
>> >>> >>> or division), changes in mensuration, etc. It also includes
>> >>> coloration, but
>> >>> >>> I think there is no agreement between the Mensural MEI community in
>> >>> how to
>> >>> >>> encode this particular feature (although I think the way it is
>> >>> encoded in
>> >>> >>> this example from the Verovio webpage is really good).
>> >>> >>>
>> >>> >>> Hope this helps,
>> >>> >>>
>> >>> >>> Martha
>> >>> >>>
>> >>> >>> Martha E. Thomae
>> >>> >>> DDMAL Lab,
>> >>> >>> Music Technology
>> >>> >>> McGill University
>> >>> >>>
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >>
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