[MEI-L] Bracketed Lines in MEI

[Andrew Hankinson]

The idiosyncracies that will inevitably arise is a large part why I'm making it an option, since it would be *useful* to many people, but it would make assumptions that would probably not be globally desirable.

For endings, however, the Sibelius plugin will treat them as endings and encode them as such in MEI. In this case I do infer the meaning, but it's because Sibelius has a very specific symbol for endings ('RepeatTimeLine') whereas the brackets that I showed earlier are just represented by the generic 'Line' type.

-Andrew
 
> On Sep 30, 2015, at 5:56 PM, Eleanor Selfridge-Field <esfield at stanford.edu> wrote:
> 
> Hi, Andrew,
>  
> The same styles of lines can also turn up as first and second endings, so if “line” is divorced from musical semantics, it could in other contexts produce ambiguities. 
>  
> The exact presentation of editorial markup styles varies from one publisher to another.  We inventoried methods of indicating da capo returns and their (re)starting points once.  When we accumulated 25, we decided to give up on signs and settle for semantic meanings.  In a mark-up language environment, an argument can be made for representing  meaning and leaving refinements to the software.
>  
> In starting with Sibelius (or any other notation software) the direction is reversed, and of course the questions change.  So the real question may be how to deal with the idiosyncracies that will inevitably arise.  
>  
> Eleanor
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>  
> From: mei-l [mailto:mei-l-bounces at lists.uni-paderborn.de <mailto:mei-l-bounces at lists.uni-paderborn.de>] On Behalf Of Andrew Hankinson
> Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2015 2:25 PM
> To: Music Encoding Initiative
> Subject: Re: [MEI-L] Bracketed Lines in MEI
>  
> Hi Eleanor,
>  
> Thank you for responding. Perhaps it would be helpful if I could give the full context of why I'm asking: The common use of this symbol is, indeed, to signify a ligature, and it's even what it's supposed to be doing in the particular example I posted.
>  
> However, I'm looking to translate this score from Sibelius (which is the environment I'm in) to MEI. As such, I don't think I can assume that everywhere a bracket like this occurred it "meant" a ligature, especially given the range of brackets one may encounter in this software:
>  
> <image001.png>
>  
> This is why I hope to use the more generic "line" element to represent this particular graphic, and am looking for a way to represent its start and end points without also giving it any particular meaning.
>  
> That said, one of the modifications I hope to work on soon is the translation of common editorial idioms from Sibelius into editorial markup, e.g., assuming notes under a group are ligatures, or assuming that a sharp symbol above the staff is a ficta, and marking it up as such in the MEI. This would be an option that a person would enable when they exported their file to MEI, but for now I'm focusing on just getting the symbols encoded.
>  
> Thanks again,
> -Andrew
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>  
> On Sep 30, 2015, at 4:59 PM, Eleanor Selfridge-Field <esfield at stanford.edu <mailto:esfield at stanford.edu>> wrote:
>  
> Hi, Andrew,
>  
> This is a ligature (the three notes were connected in the original notation).
>  
> The ligature element (http://music-encoding.org/documentation/2.1.1/ligature/ <http://music-encoding.org/documentation/2.1.1/ligature/>) should work.
>  
> Eleanor
>  
>  
> From: mei-l [mailto:mei-l-bounces at lists.uni-paderborn.de <mailto:mei-l-bounces at lists.uni-paderborn.de>] On Behalf Of Andrew Hankinson
> Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2015 1:42 PM
> To: Music Encoding Initiative
> Subject: [MEI-L] Bracketed Lines in MEI
>  
> Hello all,
>  
> I'm looking at the following:
>  
> <image001.png>
>  
> It seems that the best element to use in this case would be 'line'; however, the line element currently does not support durational attributes (@dur, @dur.ges, @tstamp, @tstamp2) or positional (@staff, @layer, @place). 
>  
> Is there a better element to use for this object, or should a modification be proposed for the schema?
>  
> Many thanks,
> -Andrew
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