[MEI-L] Lyrics: Extender lines

[Roland, Perry (pdr4h)]

I have to apologize for my recent misleading, nay, incorrect statements.  Sometimes I forget the details of MEI myself.  I'm sorry for not researching my answer to Micah's question before firing up the email machine.

It plainly says in the description of the value "u" for @con that it is for "syllable extension", not syllabification like I stated earlier.  So-called "extenders" should be drawn based on this value.  Syllabification may therefore be indicated by either "d" (dash) or "u".

There's actually no need for @extender on <syl>, so it's omission is not an error.

How's this as a revision to the Guidelines? -- 

"Occasionally, a word or syllable needs to be extended across multiple notes. In this case, a so-called ‘extender’ (a continuous line drawn at the text's baseline from the end of the syllable or word associated with the first note until the last note to be sung with the syllable or word) may be rendered based on the presence of the @con attribute with a value of ‘u’."

Clearer?

Mea culpa,

--
p.


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Subject: Re: [MEI-L] Lyrics: Extender lines

In looking at the element description for <syl>, I didn't see @extender listed as a possible attribute (it is otherwise used for <harm>). Is this also an incorrect omission?

-Micah


On 1 July 2013, at 18:59, Andrew Hankinson <andrew.hankinson at mail.mcgill.ca> wrote:

> If you create a patch for the guidelines, I'll merge it in.
>
> -Andrew
>
> On 2013-07-01, at 5:56 PM, Micah Walter <mwalter at haverford.edu>
> wrote:
>
>> So I understand that an extender is not necessarily added automatically; @extender="true" is necessary for the software to add an extender for a syllable lasting more than one note. However, some software may provide extenders automatically without the @extender attribute. @con="u" is essentially for a mid-word hyphen that happens to be on the baseline.
>>
>> Perhaps the sentence "In this case an ‘extender’ is provided" could be revised to "For such cases, the @extender attribute is provided"?
>>
>> Thanks for the help,
>> Micah
>>
>>
>> On 1 July 2013, at 14:29, "Roland, Perry (pdr4h)" <pdr4h at eservices.virginia.edu> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi, Micah,
>>>
>>> Sorry about the typo.  Thanks, Andrew, for fixing it.
>>>
>>> @con is intended to hold so-called "connectors" between syllables that consist of a *single indicator*, in this case a single "_", as in "Per_ry".  This is sometimes found as a substitute for a single hypen/dash.  The primary purpose of these connectors is to provide syllabification of the text.
>>>
>>> @extender is for those situations where a continuous line is to be drawn, often under a melismatic passage.
>>>
>>> @con and @extender are independent of each other.  It's not necessary to provide @con in order to get an extender.  You do have to decide, however, whether your software will expect @extender or, when it's not present, render an extender based on the presence of @con="u".
>>>
>>> The reason for this complication is that lyrics don't always appear under notes.  In these cases @extender isn't applicable, yet syllabification may still be desirable.
>>>
>>> Does that help?
>>>
>>> --
>>> p.
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>>> Sent: Monday, July 01, 2013 11:25 AM
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>>> Subject: [MEI-L] Lyrics: Extender lines
>>>
>>> According to the Guidelines, @con="u" indicates that "[a]n underscore sign (indicating prologation of the syllable) is used as a connector between syllables". Later in the same section, the Guidelines state the following:
>>>
>>> "Occasionally, a word or a final syllable needs to be extended across multiple notes. In this case an ‘extender’ is provided. An extender is a continuous line drawn at the text's baseline from the end of the syllable associated with the first note until the last note to be sung with the syllable. The" [the paragraph abruptly breaks off here]
>>>
>>> Is there a difference between the "underscore" and the "extender"? Will the extender only be added if @con="u" has been encoded?
>>>
>>> Here is the link to the relevant section: http://music-encoding.org/documentation/guidelines2013/lyricsDesc
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Micah Walter
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