[MEI-L] source-type metadata

Wed Sep 15 15:04:07 CEST 2010

Hi all,

It seems to me that <mei:source> acts both as description of the source and
as bibliographical entry, therefore it is not a good idea to add a typing
directly on the element itself, because what is "typed" can be unclear (is
it the bibliographical entry, the description, the physical object or its
content?). Instead, I think, how the editor classifies the source should
live somewhere within the elements that deal with the description of the
source (and not with its bibliographical entry). So something along the
lines of what Laurent suggests seems to me a sensible choice.

The TEI handles the description of sources for critical editions with the
<tei:witness> element, which only contains a limited amount of elements for
a textual description.
http://www.tei-c.org/release/doc/tei-p5-doc/en/html/ref-witness.html
Its wrapper, <tei:witList>, can be contained in <tei:sourceDesc> that is the
equivalent of <mei:source>.

Although I don't think it is necessary to add to MEI an equivalent to
<tei:witness>, <mei:source> might still need an element that allows textual
content for its description and categorisation without relying on
<mei:notestmt> (mainly to avoid tag and @type abuse).

Best,
Raffaele

On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 1:29 PM, Laurent Pugin <laurent at music.mcgill.ca>wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I would suggest to try to keep information related to the physical
> description and information related to the edition separated. I have the
> impression that something like 'print_score_later' mixes several types of
> information, with the risk to have exponential possible combination. And the
> order might be problematic too if we want to use it as a search criteria.
>
> I would personally store within <physdesc> whether it is a 'print' a
> 'manuscript' etc. The @type could be an option. At the RISM, we use the
> following values, which might have to be extended:
> - print
> - autograph
> - doubtful autograph
> - manuscript
> - manuscript with autograph annotations
>
> To me, score/parts information does not seem to be related to the physical
> description. For example, In MARC21, the information is typically stored in
> a 254 tag (25X-28X tags being used for Edition, Imprint, Etc.):
> http://www.loc.gov/marc/bibliographic/bd254.html
>
> In a cross-walk from MARC21 to TEI I've been looking at, the 254 tag goes
> into a <noteStmt> within the <bibFull> element. If we want do something
> similar with what we have now in MEI, we would probably get something like:
>
> <sourcedesc>
>     <source>
>         <notestmt>
>             <annot>Full score</annot>
>         </notestmt>
>     </source>
> </sourcedesc>
>
> But maybe we would need something more specific than an annotation?
>
> All the best,
> Laurent
>
> On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 12:19 PM, Axel Teich Geertinger <atge at kb.dk>wrote:
>
>>  Hi Benjamin
>>
>>
>>
>> I think @type on the source element would be a good idea. We are having
>> the same problem, but have solved it for now by using @n instead to
>> categorize the source type, but obviously @type would be more appropriate.
>>
>> We are using the following values so far:
>>
>>
>>
>> manuscript_sketch
>>
>> Manuscript, sketch
>>
>> manuscript_score_autograph
>>
>> Manuscript, score, autograph
>>
>> manuscript_score_copy
>>
>> Manuscript, score, copy
>>
>> manuscript_parts_autograph
>>
>> Manuscript, parts, autograph
>>
>> manuscript_parts_copy
>>
>> Manuscript, parts, copy
>>
>> print_score_first
>>
>> Printed score, first edition
>>
>> print_score_later
>>
>> Printed score, later edition
>>
>> print_parts
>>
>> Printed parts
>>
>> text_ms
>>
>> Textual source, manuscript
>>
>> text_print
>>
>> Textual source, print
>>
>> other
>>
>> Other
>>
>>
>>
>> We then use the source/titlestmt/title element to provide a more specific
>> description of the source, e.g. “Score, fair copy, printer’s source” or
>> “Printed part, Ove Scavenius' copy”.
>>
>> If anyone knows a better solution, I’d be happy to know about it.
>>
>>
>>
>> All the best,
>>
>> Axel
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *Fra:* mei-l-bounces at lists.uni-paderborn.de [mailto:
>> mei-l-bounces at lists.uni-paderborn.de] *På vegne af *Benjamin Wolff Bohl
>> *Send**t:* 15. september 2010 11:25
>> *Til:* mei-l at lists.uni-paderborn.de
>> *Emne:* [MEI-L] source-type metadata
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi Mei-List(eners)!
>>
>>
>>
>> I got a question concerning the location of some metadata I would like to
>> put into an MEI-file.
>>
>> I just don't know where I should put it.
>>
>>
>>
>> I would like to store a type on a source element I have, specifying
>> whether it is a print or an autograph, maybe even more like a copyists copy
>> or an edition.
>>
>>
>>
>> So in my code I have the following:
>>
>>
>>
>> <sourcedesc>
>>                 <source xml:id=
>> "source_3c94e494-bc7e-4233-a27d-17671fc8d933">
>>                     <titlestmt>
>>                         <title>Londoner Abschrift</title>
>>                     </titlestmt>
>>                    <pubstmt>
>>                         <date reg="2010">2010</date>
>>                        <identifier type="siglum">K2</identifier>
>>                     </pubstmt>
>>
>>
>>
>> Now I wondering whether the right place of such data would be an
>> editionstmt or maybe the physdesc, which could contain even more detailed
>> data concerning the creation of the source? (see below)
>>
>>
>>                     <physdesc>
>>                         <physmedium n="type">
>>                         <physmedium n="support"></physmedium>
>>                         <physmedium n="content"></physmedium>
>>                         <physloc/>
>>                     </physdesc>
>>                 </source>
>>             </sourcedesc>
>>
>>
>>
>> O would it be best/easiest to have @type on source? (which currently is
>> not possible)
>>
>>
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>>
>>
>> Benjamin
>>
>>
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