Hi all,<div><br></div><div>It seems to me that <mei:source> acts both as description of the source and as bibliographical entry, therefore it is not a good idea to add a typing directly on the element itself, because what is "typed" can be unclear (is it the bibliographical entry, the description, the physical object or its content?). Instead, I think, how the editor classifies the source should live somewhere within the elements that deal with the description of the source (and not with its bibliographical entry). So something along the lines of what Laurent suggests seems to me a sensible choice. </div>
<div><br></div><div>The TEI handles the description of sources for critical editions with the <tei:witness> element, which only contains a limited amount of elements for a textual description.</div><div><a href="http://www.tei-c.org/release/doc/tei-p5-doc/en/html/ref-witness.html">http://www.tei-c.org/release/doc/tei-p5-doc/en/html/ref-witness.html</a></div>
<div>Its wrapper, <tei:witList>, can be contained in <tei:sourceDesc> that is the equivalent of <mei:source>.</div><div><br></div><div>Although I don't think it is necessary to add to MEI an equivalent to <tei:witness>, <mei:source> might still need an element that allows textual content for its description and categorisation without relying on <mei:notestmt> (mainly to avoid tag and @type abuse).</div>
<div><br></div><div>Best,</div><div>Raffaele</div><div><br></div><div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 1:29 PM, Laurent Pugin <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:laurent@music.mcgill.ca">laurent@music.mcgill.ca</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">Hi,<br><br>I would suggest to try to keep information related to the physical description and information related to the edition separated. I have the impression that something like 'print_score_later' mixes several types of information, with the risk to have exponential possible combination. And the order might be problematic too if we want to use it as a search criteria.<br>
<br>I would personally store within <physdesc> whether it is a 'print' a 'manuscript' etc. The @type could be an option. At the RISM, we use the following values, which might have to be extended:<br>
- print<br>- autograph<br>- doubtful autograph<br>- manuscript<br>- manuscript with autograph annotations<br><br>To me, score/parts information does not seem to be related to the physical description. For example, In MARC21, the information is typically stored in a 254 tag (25X-28X tags being used for Edition, Imprint, Etc.): <br>
<a href="http://www.loc.gov/marc/bibliographic/bd254.html" target="_blank">http://www.loc.gov/marc/bibliographic/bd254.html</a><br><br>In a cross-walk from MARC21 to TEI I've been looking at, the 254 tag goes into a <noteStmt> within the <bibFull> element. If we want do something similar with what we have now in MEI, we would probably get something like:<br>
<br><sourcedesc><br> <source><br> <notestmt><br> <annot>Full score</annot><br> </notestmt><br> </source><br></sourcedesc><br><br>But maybe we would need something more specific than an annotation?<br>
<br>All the best,<br>Laurent<br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div></div><div class="h5">On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 12:19 PM, Axel Teich Geertinger <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:atge@kb.dk" target="_blank">atge@kb.dk</a>></span> wrote:<br>
</div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204);padding-left:1ex">
<div link="blue" vlink="purple" style="word-wrap:break-word" lang="DA">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;color:black">Hi Benjamin</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;color:black"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;color:black" lang="EN-US">I think @type on the source element would be a good idea. We are
having the same problem, but have solved it for now by using @n instead to categorize
the source type, but obviously @type would be more appropriate. </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;color:black" lang="EN-US">We are using the following values so far:</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;color:black" lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
<table style="margin-left:0.15pt;border-collapse:collapse" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0">
<tbody><tr>
<td style="width:100pt;border:1pt solid windowtext;padding:0cm" valign="top" width="133">
<p class="MsoNormal">manuscript_sketch</p>
</td>
<td style="width:100pt;border-width:1pt 1pt 1pt medium;border-style:solid solid solid none;border-color:windowtext windowtext windowtext -moz-use-text-color;padding:0cm" valign="top" width="133">
<p class="MsoNormal">Manuscript, sketch</p>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td style="width:100pt;border-width:medium 1pt 1pt;border-style:none solid solid;border-color:-moz-use-text-color windowtext windowtext;padding:0cm" valign="top" width="133">
<p class="MsoNormal">manuscript_score_autograph</p>
</td>
<td style="width:100pt;border-width:medium 1pt 1pt medium;border-style:none solid solid none;border-color:-moz-use-text-color windowtext windowtext -moz-use-text-color;padding:0cm" valign="top" width="133">
<p class="MsoNormal">Manuscript, score, autograph</p>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td style="width:100pt;border-width:medium 1pt 1pt;border-style:none solid solid;border-color:-moz-use-text-color windowtext windowtext;padding:0cm" valign="top" width="133">
<p class="MsoNormal">manuscript_score_copy</p>
</td>
<td style="width:100pt;border-width:medium 1pt 1pt medium;border-style:none solid solid none;border-color:-moz-use-text-color windowtext windowtext -moz-use-text-color;padding:0cm" valign="top" width="133">
<p class="MsoNormal">Manuscript, score, copy</p>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td style="width:100pt;border-width:medium 1pt 1pt;border-style:none solid solid;border-color:-moz-use-text-color windowtext windowtext;padding:0cm" valign="top" width="133">
<p class="MsoNormal">manuscript_parts_autograph</p>
</td>
<td style="width:100pt;border-width:medium 1pt 1pt medium;border-style:none solid solid none;border-color:-moz-use-text-color windowtext windowtext -moz-use-text-color;padding:0cm" valign="top" width="133">
<p class="MsoNormal">Manuscript, parts, autograph</p>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td style="width:100pt;border-width:medium 1pt 1pt;border-style:none solid solid;border-color:-moz-use-text-color windowtext windowtext;padding:0cm" valign="top" width="133">
<p class="MsoNormal">manuscript_parts_copy</p>
</td>
<td style="width:100pt;border-width:medium 1pt 1pt medium;border-style:none solid solid none;border-color:-moz-use-text-color windowtext windowtext -moz-use-text-color;padding:0cm" valign="top" width="133">
<p class="MsoNormal">Manuscript, parts, copy</p>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td style="width:100pt;border-width:medium 1pt 1pt;border-style:none solid solid;border-color:-moz-use-text-color windowtext windowtext;padding:0cm" valign="top" width="133">
<p class="MsoNormal">print_score_first</p>
</td>
<td style="width:100pt;border-width:medium 1pt 1pt medium;border-style:none solid solid none;border-color:-moz-use-text-color windowtext windowtext -moz-use-text-color;padding:0cm" valign="top" width="133">
<p class="MsoNormal">Printed score, first edition</p>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td style="width:100pt;border-width:medium 1pt 1pt;border-style:none solid solid;border-color:-moz-use-text-color windowtext windowtext;padding:0cm" valign="top" width="133">
<p class="MsoNormal">print_score_later</p>
</td>
<td style="width:100pt;border-width:medium 1pt 1pt medium;border-style:none solid solid none;border-color:-moz-use-text-color windowtext windowtext -moz-use-text-color;padding:0cm" valign="top" width="133">
<p class="MsoNormal">Printed score, later edition</p>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td style="width:100pt;border-width:medium 1pt 1pt;border-style:none solid solid;border-color:-moz-use-text-color windowtext windowtext;padding:0cm" valign="top" width="133">
<p class="MsoNormal">print_parts</p>
</td>
<td style="width:100pt;border-width:medium 1pt 1pt medium;border-style:none solid solid none;border-color:-moz-use-text-color windowtext windowtext -moz-use-text-color;padding:0cm" valign="top" width="133">
<p class="MsoNormal">Printed parts</p>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td style="width:100pt;border-width:medium 1pt 1pt;border-style:none solid solid;border-color:-moz-use-text-color windowtext windowtext;padding:0cm" valign="top" width="133">
<p class="MsoNormal">text_ms</p>
</td>
<td style="width:100pt;border-width:medium 1pt 1pt medium;border-style:none solid solid none;border-color:-moz-use-text-color windowtext windowtext -moz-use-text-color;padding:0cm" valign="top" width="133">
<p class="MsoNormal">Textual source, manuscript</p>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td style="width:100pt;border-width:medium 1pt 1pt;border-style:none solid solid;border-color:-moz-use-text-color windowtext windowtext;padding:0cm" valign="top" width="133">
<p class="MsoNormal">text_print</p>
</td>
<td style="width:100pt;border-width:medium 1pt 1pt medium;border-style:none solid solid none;border-color:-moz-use-text-color windowtext windowtext -moz-use-text-color;padding:0cm" valign="top" width="133">
<p class="MsoNormal">Textual source, print</p>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td style="width:100pt;border-width:medium 1pt 1pt;border-style:none solid solid;border-color:-moz-use-text-color windowtext windowtext;padding:0cm" valign="top" width="133">
<p class="MsoNormal">other</p>
</td>
<td style="width:100pt;border-width:medium 1pt 1pt medium;border-style:none solid solid none;border-color:-moz-use-text-color windowtext windowtext -moz-use-text-color;padding:0cm" valign="top" width="133">
<p class="MsoNormal">Other</p>
</td>
</tr>
</tbody></table>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;color:black" lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;color:black" lang="EN-US">We then use the source/titlestmt/title element to provide a more specific
description of the source, e.g. “Score, fair copy, printer’s source”
or “Printed part, Ove Scavenius' copy”. </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;color:black" lang="EN-US">If anyone knows a better solution, I’d be happy to know
about it.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;color:black" lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;color:black" lang="EN-US">All the best,</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;color:black" lang="EN-US">Axel</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;color:black" lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;color:black" lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;color:black" lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10pt" lang="EN-US">Fra:</span></b><span style="font-size:10pt" lang="EN-US"> <a href="mailto:mei-l-bounces@lists.uni-paderborn.de" target="_blank">mei-l-bounces@lists.uni-paderborn.de</a>
[mailto:<a href="mailto:mei-l-bounces@lists.uni-paderborn.de" target="_blank">mei-l-bounces@lists.uni-paderborn.de</a>] <b>På vegne af </b>Benjamin Wolff
Bohl<br>
<b>Send</b></span><b><span style="font-size:10pt">t:</span></b><span style="font-size:10pt"> 15. september 2010
11:25<br>
<b>Til:</b> <a href="mailto:mei-l@lists.uni-paderborn.de" target="_blank">mei-l@lists.uni-paderborn.de</a><br>
<b>Emne:</b> [MEI-L] source-type metadata</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi Mei-List(eners)!</p><div><div></div><div class="h5">
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">I got a question concerning the location of some metadata I
would like to put into an MEI-file.</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">I just don't know where I should put it.</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">I would like to store a type on a source element I have,
specifying whether it is a print or an autograph, maybe even more like a
copyists copy or an edition.</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">So in my code I have the following:</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9pt;color:rgb(31, 0, 165)"><sourcedesc></span><span style="font-size:9pt"><br>
<span style="color:rgb(31, 0, 165)"><source</span><span style="color:rgb(241, 151, 98)"> xml:id</span><span style="color:rgb(249, 147, 86)">=</span><span style="color:rgb(165, 67, 13)">"source_3c94e494-bc7e-4233-a27d-17671fc8d933"</span><span style="color:rgb(31, 0, 165)">></span><br>
<span style="color:rgb(31, 0, 165)"><titlestmt></span><br>
<span style="color:rgb(31, 0, 165)"><title></span>Londoner Abschrift<span style="color:rgb(31, 0, 165)"></title></span><br>
<span style="color:rgb(31, 0, 165)"></titlestmt></span><br>
<span style="color:rgb(31, 0, 165)"><pubstmt></span><br>
<span style="color:rgb(31, 0, 165)"><date</span><span style="color:rgb(241, 151, 98)">
reg</span><span style="color:rgb(249, 147, 86)">=</span><span style="color:rgb(165, 67, 13)">"2010"</span><span style="color:rgb(31, 0, 165)">></span>2010<span style="color:rgb(31, 0, 165)"></date></span><br>
<span style="color:rgb(31, 0, 165)"><identifier</span><span style="color:rgb(241, 151, 98)"> type</span><span style="color:rgb(249, 147, 86)">=</span><span style="color:rgb(165, 67, 13)">"siglum"</span><span style="color:rgb(31, 0, 165)">></span>K2<span style="color:rgb(31, 0, 165)"></identifier></span><br>
<span style="color:rgb(31, 0, 165)"></pubstmt></span></span></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9pt"> </span></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9pt">Now
I wondering whether the right place of such data would be an editionstmt or
maybe the physdesc, which could contain even more detailed data concerning the
creation of the source? (see below)</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9pt;color:rgb(31, 0, 165)"><br>
</span><span style="font-size:9pt">
<span style="color:rgb(31, 0, 165)"><physdesc></span><br>
<span style="color:rgb(31, 0, 165)"><physmedium</span><span style="color:rgb(241, 151, 98)"> n</span><span style="color:rgb(249, 147, 86)">=</span><span style="color:rgb(165, 67, 13)">"type"</span><span style="color:rgb(31, 0, 165)">></span><br>
<span style="color:rgb(31, 0, 165)"><physmedium</span><span style="color:rgb(241, 151, 98)"> n</span><span style="color:rgb(249, 147, 86)">=</span><span style="color:rgb(165, 67, 13)">"support"</span><span style="color:rgb(31, 0, 165)">></physmedium></span><br>
<span style="color:rgb(31, 0, 165)"><physmedium</span><span style="color:rgb(241, 151, 98)"> n</span><span style="color:rgb(249, 147, 86)">=</span><span style="color:rgb(165, 67, 13)">"content"</span><span style="color:rgb(31, 0, 165)">></physmedium></span><br>
<span style="color:rgb(31, 0, 165)"><physloc/></span><br>
<span style="color:rgb(31, 0, 165)"></physdesc></span><br>
<span style="color:rgb(31, 0, 165)"></source></span><br>
<span style="color:rgb(31, 0, 165)"></sourcedesc></span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9pt"> </span></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9pt">O
would it be best/easiest to have @type on source? (which currently is not
possible)</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9pt"> </span></p>
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