[mei-neumes-ig] Question #2

[Kate Helsen]

If the components are part of a compound neume that is considered as "one
thing", then I don't want to have the components appear when a search is
performed for a neume on its own, not in the compound.

For example, if I search for the sign 'pes', I would like to see only those
signs which are considered 'pes' without being part of a compound neume.
But I would also like to search for 'pes subipunctis', in which the 'pes'
is a part. I might even like to search for only pes signs that are part of
the larger 'pes subipunctis.'

Hope that's clearer.
K

On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 11:37 AM, Roland, Perry D. (pdr4h) <
pdr4h at eservices.virginia.edu> wrote:

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> Sorry, but I don't understand.  You do or don't want to consider the
> component parts as neumes?
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> p.
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> *From:* mei-neumes-ig [mailto:mei-neumes-ig-bounces at lists.uni-paderborn.de]
> *On Behalf Of *Kate Helsen
> *Sent:* Monday, June 13, 2016 11:26 AM
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> *To:* Neumes Interest Group of the Music Encoding Initiative
> *Subject:* Re: [mei-neumes-ig] Question #2
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> Does expressing these components as containment mean that they will not be
> considered neumes in their own right? I'm hoping for a method of expression
> that means that the puncti and the pes contained in a pes subipuntis won't
> turn up in a search for all puncti (on their own) in the manuscript.
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> On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 11:14 AM, Roland, Perry D. (pdr4h) <
> pdr4h at eservices.virginia.edu> wrote:
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> XML provides 2 basic approaches to describing relationships -- order and
> containment.  Containment is often more intuitive for part/partOf
> relationships and uses nested elements, e.g.,
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> <car>
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>   <engine/>
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>   <door/>
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>   <wheel/>
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> </car>
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> Order is expressed as a list of elements, e.g.,
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> <eventList>
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>   <event n="1"/>
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>   <event n="2"/>
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>   <event n="3"/>
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> </eventList>
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> In the case of the "pes subipunctis" these might be combined like so,
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> <neume> <!-- this is the pes subipunctis -->
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>   <neume/> <!-- pes -->
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>   <neume/> <!-- first punctum -->
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>   <neume/> <!-- second punctum -->
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> </neume>
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> providing a 2-level structure that indicates in a fairly "natural" (or
> idiomatic XML) way that the pes subipunctis is "made up of" 3 ordered
> components.  Connections (which are non-structural) between the components
> can be indicated using one or more attributes.  I believe this alternative
> is better than @connection="gapped" because it doesn't mix structural and
> non-structural relationships.
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> p.
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> *From:* mei-neumes-ig [mailto:mei-neumes-ig-bounces at lists.uni-paderborn.de]
> *On Behalf Of *Kate Helsen
> *Sent:* Monday, June 13, 2016 10:40 AM
> *To:* Neumes Interest Group of the Music Encoding Initiative
> *Subject:* Re: [mei-neumes-ig] Question #2
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> In the list you have, we specifically did not try to describe any neume
> which looked like it was put together of several neumes. (Imagine, for
> example, that you have a pes followed by two puncti, the first higher than
> the second. That's called "Pes Subipunctis" and is considered one "neume",
> but it is made up of those two basic neumes, the second of which is
> repeated.
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> HOWEVER: now that we have "connection" as one of the attributes of the
> neume, and we can used "gapped connection" as a legit kind of connection,
> we can describe the compound neumes, right? That was my understanding,
> anyway. And, going on that, Inga and I are now adding those kind of neumes
> to the table. (That's why it's taking some time.)
>
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> Cheers,
>
> K
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> On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 6:06 AM, Ichiro Fujinaga <ich at music.mcgill.ca>
> wrote:
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> Here’s a question from Perry.
>
> "How do so-called "compound neumes" fit into this system?  It doesn't
> appear to me that neumes can consist of other, more basic neumes.  Is that
> correct?’
>
> Ich
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