[MEI-L] Encoding staff lines

Wed Aug 9 22:01:21 CEST 2017

Thank you for all your answers. I will stay with <sb> combined with  
<ulx> etc., I think, and will write a short paragraph about the  
problem in my thesis. After all, this is what I try to figure out:  
where are the limits at the moment?

One big thing that always irritates me is that my source is not  
"perfectly" scanned in, so the staff lines are not leveled, which  
leads to gaps inside the boxes. Of course I could change that by  
editing the facsimile, but then it would not be  a source anymore...  
Maybe it is a little bit to far, I just ask out of curiosity: Would it  
be much work to add <urx>, <ury>, <llx> and <lly> to give the  
possibility of non-leveled boxes?

Daniel

Zitat von Laurent Pugin <lxpugin at gmail.com>:

> Verovio does not support @compressable. (But it does support page-based MEI
> data.)
>
> On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 8:27 PM, Roland, Perry D. (pdr4h) <pdr4h at virginia.edu
>> wrote:
>
>>
>> Sorry, I hit the send button too soon --
>>
>> The "blank" portions of the staff can filled with "space" using the
>> <space> element, like so --
>>
>> <space dur="1" compressable="false" />
>>
>> <space> can have a duration, although I'm not sure what it ought to be in
>> this case.
>>
>> The @compressable attribute is a potential signal to a processor to leave
>> the empty space intact.  I'm not sure that Verovio supports this yet, but
>> it's a good idea to use it.
>>
>> But, this is as far as I'm willing to go towards a "diplomatic
>> transcription", as the methods of handling this kind of situation become
>> processor dependent very quickly.  The best practice is to stick to
>> encoding the semantics of the notation and refer to an image for spatial
>> details.  Using the coordinates of the bounding boxes of the systems, one
>> can demonstrate that they have the same horizontal dimensions.
>>
>> --
>> p.
>>
>>
>>
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: mei-l [mailto:mei-l-bounces at lists.uni-paderborn.de] On Behalf Of
>> Roland, Perry D.
>> > (pdr4h)
>> > Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2017 2:09 PM
>> > To: Music Encoding Initiative <mei-l at lists.uni-paderborn.de>
>> > Subject: Re: [MEI-L] Encoding staff lines
>> >
>> >
>> > Hi Daniel,
>> >
>> > Having seen your examples, I agree with Andrew -- the best way to record
>> the location of
>> > the system (without resorting to a page-based description like that used
>> by Verovio) is to
>> > use @facs on <sb>.
>> >
>> > --
>> > p.
>> >
>> >
>> > > -----Original Message-----
>> > > From: mei-l [mailto:mei-l-bounces at lists.uni-paderborn.de] On Behalf Of
>> > > Andrew Hankinson
>> > > Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2017 1:27 PM
>> > > To: Music Encoding Initiative <mei-l at lists.uni-paderborn.de>
>> > > Subject: Re: [MEI-L] Encoding staff lines
>> > >
>> > > I think <sb @facs="#somezoneid" /> is probably the best way to do
>> > > this; It's slightly counter-intuitive since <sb /> is a milestone
>> > > element, but nevertheless it allows you to encode the physical
>> dimensions of a system
>> > and attach a zone to it.
>> > >
>> > > -Andrew
>> > >
>> > > > On 8 Aug 2017, at 13:20, Daniel Alles <DanielAlles at stud.uni-frankfur
>> t.de> wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > Hi all,
>> > > >
>> > > > you can find an example of my source attached to this email. As you
>> > > > can see, the 2nd,
>> > > 3rd and 7th systems are not fully filled with notes, the 8th line is
>> > > empty. What I would like to encode is that the systems are
>> nevertheless of the same
>> > width like the 1st.
>> > > >
>> > > > I encode the positions of the notes etc. using <zone>, <facs> and
>> > > <ulx>/<uly>/<lrx>/<lry>, and something similar I would like to have
>> > > for the staff systems, too.
>> > > >
>> > > > Best, Daniel
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > Zitat von Andrew Hankinson <andrew.hankinson at mail.mcgill.ca>:
>> > > >
>> > > >> Hi Daniel,
>> > > >>
>> > > >> How are you encoding the position of every note, rest, etc.?
>> > > >>
>> > > >> <sb /> allows @facs, which can reference a defined zone on a page.
>> So:
>> > > >>
>> > > >> <zone xml:id="z1" ulx="nn" uly="nn" lrx="nn" lry="nn" />
>> > > >>
>> > > >> then
>> > > >>
>> > > >> <sb facs="#z1" />
>> > > >>
>> > > >> -Andrew
>> > > >>> On 8 Aug 2017, at 11:28, Roland, Perry D. (pdr4h) <
>> pdr4h at virginia.edu> wrote:
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>> Hi Daniel,
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>> MEI doesn't currently encode the width of the staff lines, but it
>> > > >>> does allow one to
>> > > specify the color of individual staff lines.  For staff lines that are
>> > > logically but not visually present, you can set the color to white
>> > > (presuming the background of the page is also white).  I'm not sure
>> > > what you mean by "half-filled" staff lines.  Can you provide an
>> example?
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>> --
>> > > >>> p.
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>>> -----Original Message-----
>> > > >>>> From: mei-l [mailto:mei-l-bounces at lists.uni-paderborn.de] On
>> > > >>>> Behalf Of Daniel Alles
>> > > >>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2017 2:26 AM
>> > > >>>> To: Music Encoding Initiative <mei-l at lists.uni-paderborn.de>
>> > > >>>> Subject: [MEI-L] Encoding staff lines
>> > > >>>>
>> > > >>>>
>> > > >>>> Dear all,
>> > > >>>>
>> > > >>>> during my encoding of a facsimile I recognized that I give the
>> > > >>>> exact location of every note, rest, dot etc. on the page, but not
>> > > >>>> those of the lines they are written on. Of course I use <sb/> and
>> > > >>>> <pb/> to cover the line breaks, but the width of the staff lines
>> > > >>>> is not encoded, because I can't find anything for that in the
>> > > >>>> Guidelines. Is there any possibility to encode them? My source
>> > > >>>> contains some half-
>> > > filled or empty staff lines which I would like to encode too.
>> > > >>>>
>> > > >>>> Best,
>> > > >>>> Daniel
>> > > >>>>
>> > > >>>>
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