From elsa at campus.ul.pt  Mon Jul  2 15:53:46 2018
From: elsa at campus.ul.pt (Elsa De Luca)
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2018 14:53:46 +0100
Subject: [mei-neumes-ig] Strophicus / Stropha
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 According to Michel Huglo's article 'Les noms des neumes et leur origine'
(Etudes gr?goriennes, 1954) the earliest treatises of music theory that
contain the names of the neumes only have 'Strophicus' (or, occasionally,
'Stophicus' and 'Stropicus'). The treatises discussed in the article are
dated to the 11th and 12th centuries.

Thus, it doesn't seem wrong to keep 'strophicus' if we refer to early
Western European neumatic notations.

I hope this helps

Elsa De Luca

On Sat, Jun 30, 2018 at 9:34 AM, Prof. Dr. Morent <
stefan.morent at uni-tuebingen.de> wrote:

> I see.
> If we agree that these names are more or less general "logical concepts"
> or technical placeholders not totally missleading we could see later on how
> to tie them to historical names.
>
> Stefan
>
> ----- Nachricht von "Ichiro Fujinaga, Prof." <ichiro.fujinaga at mcgill.ca>
> ---------
>      Datum: Sat, 30 Jun 2018 00:15:57 +0000
>        Von: "Ichiro Fujinaga, Prof." <ichiro.fujinaga at mcgill.ca>
> Antwort an: Neumes Interest Group of the Music Encoding Initiative <
> mei-neumes-ig at lists.uni-paderborn.de>
>    Betreff: Re: [mei-neumes-ig] Strophicus / Stropha
>         An: Neumes Interest Group of the Music Encoding Initiative <
> mei-neumes-ig at lists.uni-paderborn.de>
>
> Yes, that?s what we had plan to do; but I haven?t figured out how to do
> that properly and I?ve run out of time for this round.
>
> In general, we have avoided naming neumes, but I needed to name few
> things. These are episema, quilisma, liquescent, oriscus, and strophicus /
> stropha.
>
> We can revisit the naming of these things later.
>
> Ichiro
>
>
> On Jun 29, 2018, at 18:54, Prof. Dr. Morent <stefan.morent at uni-tuebingen.
> de> wrote:
>
>
> Since historical nomenclature for neumes vary over time and space it wil
> be hard to find the one and only ...
> Is it possible to allow various names? Or point to various neume tables?
>
> Stefan
>
> ----- Nachricht von Kate Helsen <katehelsen at gmail.com> ---------
>      Datum: Fri, 29 Jun 2018 18:40:54 -0400
>        Von: Kate Helsen <katehelsen at gmail.com>
> Antwort an: Neumes Interest Group of the Music Encoding Initiative <
> mei-neumes-ig at lists.uni-paderborn.de>
>    Betreff: Re: [mei-neumes-ig] Strophicus / Stropha
>         An: "Ichiro Fujinaga, Prof." <ichiro.fujinaga at mcgill.ca>, Neumes
> Interest Group of the Music Encoding Initiative <mei-neumes-ig at lists.uni-
> paderborn.de>
>
> If we go with Strophicus, then we should rename the Pes, Podatus. That's
> the only thing, I think that we should keep in mind.
>
> On Fri, Jun 29, 2018, 5:53 PM Ichiro Fujinaga, Prof. <
> ichiro.fujinaga at mcgill.ca> wrote:
>
>> I need more votes to break the tie.
>>
>> Ichiro
>>
>> > On Jun 29, 2018, at 3:38 PM, Inga Behrendt <
>> inga.behrendt at uni-tuebingen.de> wrote:
>> >
>> > "I prefer  <stropha>?
>> > Inga
>> >
>> > Zitat von "Ichiro Fujinaga, Prof." <ichiro.fujinaga at mcgill.ca>:
>> >
>> >> Dear all,
>> >>
>> >> I?m considering introducing a new element <strophicus> (could be
>> <stropha>).
>> >> [cid:83EFE933-15D9-4FB4-BBF0-7EDAD584F762]
>> >>
>> >> What attributes should it have other than @pname, @oct, and @intm?
>> >> Please provide an example that would explain the attribute.
>> >>
>> >> Can we take a quick vote on your preference for the name:
>> <strophicus> or <stropha>?
>> >>
>> >> Just say: ?I prefer  <strophicus>? or "I prefer  <stropha>?.
>> >>
>> >> Thank you,
>> >>
>> >> Ichiro
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
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