[MEI-L] Place text on staves

[Roland, Perry D. (pdr4h)]

> But thinking about reproducing the source - wouldn't it be better to encode all
> the lines at once, without <section>, but with line breaks?

By "line breaks", I presume you mean "system breaks". "[R]eproducing the source" can have different dimensions.  <section> defines a logical segment, the contents of which are connected in a logical way.  <sb> marks "accidents" of the writing process.  For example, if one marks each section of a minuet, mm. 3 and 4 are logically "part of" the minuet.  The stuff occurring on a single system just happens to be written that way -- just because m. 3 and m. 4 are "on the same line" doesn't mean much because they could just as easily have been written on different "lines".  Which is better to capture?  Capturing the logical information, then the layout info is the best approach.  That being said, MEI supports both and leaves the decision to the encoder.

> I don't get the difference between <space> and <pad>, could please someone
> explain that a little bit?

<space> fills up time; i.e., it has duration. <pad> has visual size, but doesn't have duration.

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p.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: mei-l [mailto:mei-l-bounces at lists.uni-paderborn.de] On Behalf Of Daniel
> Alles
> Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2017 2:54 PM
> To: mei-l at lists.uni-paderborn.de
> Subject: Re: [MEI-L] Place text on staves
> 
> In fact, my "tacet" is also followed by notes on the next page. Until now I did
> not encode line breaks because I encoded each of the six parts of each
> Magnificat as <section>, the lines only separated optically using <!-- x. line -->.
> But thinking about reproducing the source - wouldn't it be better to encode all
> the lines at once, without <section>, but with line breaks?
> 
> I don't get the difference between <space> and <pad>, could please someone
> explain that a little bit?
> 
> Thank you and good night,
> Daniel
> 
> 
> 
> Zitat von Anna Plaksin <annplaksin at gmx.net>:
> 
> > Hi Perry,
> >
> >
> >
> > according to your mail yesterday, wouldn’t <pad> here also be more
> > appropriate, because Daniel wants to reproduce the source?
> >
> > In fact, my example displayed a similar situation. There is a visual
> > padding and a text directive “Tacet” which intends logically time,
> > where that particular voice remains silent while the others are
> > singing. The difference is, that in my example the directive is
> > followed by notes and in Daniel’s it is vice versa.
> >
> > As it seems to me, we have to decide here whether we want to encode
> > the visual information or the logical. But the question is: which
> > decision fits better to the encoding approach of “representing a
> > source”?
> >
> >
> >
> > Best wishes,
> >
> > Anna
> >
> >
> >
> > Von: mei-l [mailto:mei-l-bounces at lists.uni-paderborn.de] Im Auftrag
> > von Roland, Perry D. (pdr4h)
> > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 9. März 2017 16:23
> > An: Music Encoding Initiative <mei-l at lists.uni-paderborn.de>
> > Betreff: Re: [MEI-L] Place text on staves
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Since this is mensural notation, @tstamp won't work.  Instead, use
> > <space> as a placeholder in the 2nd staff and associate the text with
> > the space via @startid --
> >
> >
> >
> > <staff n="1">
> >
> >   <layer>
> >
> >     <!-- notes -->
> >
> >   </layer>
> >
> > </staff>
> >
> > <staff n="2">
> >
> >   <layer>
> >
> >     <space xml:id="space01"/>
> >
> >   </layer>
> >
> >   <dir startid="#space01">... Tacet</dir>
> >
> > </staff>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > p.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From: mei-l [mailto:mei-l-bounces at lists.uni-paderborn.de] On Behalf
> > Of Raffaele Viglianti
> > Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2017 9:25 AM
> > To: Music Encoding Initiative
> > Subject: Re: [MEI-L] Place text on staves
> >
> >
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> >
> >
> > I think <dir place="within"> is the most appropriate element given
> > that the text gives an instruction. You can use @tstamp to position
> > it based on time.
> >
> >
> >
> > Raff
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Mar 9, 2017 at 7:08 AM, Daniel Alles
> > <DanielAlles at stud.uni-frankfurt.de
> > <mailto:DanielAlles at stud.uni-frankfurt.de> > wrote:
> >
> > Dear all,
> >
> > in my source, there often appears the playing instruction "Tacet"
> > written directly on a staff (see attachment). How can I reproduce
> > that in MEI? I always try to reproduce the source as accurately as
> > possible, but couldn't find a possibility to put this text on the
> > staff. Is that possible at all? <dir> seems not to work, as there
> > are no notes in that staff.
> >
> > Best, Daniel
> >
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