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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial"><span style="text-align:left;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline"><span style="text-align:start;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline"><font face="verdana, sans-serif">According to Michel Huglo's article 'Les noms des neumes et leur origine' (Etudes grégoriennes, 1954) <span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">the earliest treatises of music theory that contain the names of the neumes only have 'Strophicus' (or, occasionally, 'Stophicus' and 'Stropicus'). The treatises discussed in the article are dated to the 11th and 12th centuries.</span></font></span></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial"><span style="color:rgb(84,84,84);font-family:arial,sans-serif;text-align:left;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small;text-align:start;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline"><br></span></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial"><span style="color:rgb(84,84,84);font-family:arial,sans-serif;text-align:left;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small;text-align:start;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline">Thus, it doesn't seem wrong to keep 'strophicus' if we refer to early Western European neumatic notations.</span></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial"><span style="color:rgb(84,84,84);font-family:arial,sans-serif;text-align:left;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small;text-align:start;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline"><br></span></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial"><span style="color:rgb(84,84,84);font-family:arial,sans-serif;text-align:left;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small;text-align:start;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline">I hope this helps</span></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial"><span style="color:rgb(84,84,84);font-family:arial,sans-serif;text-align:left;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small;text-align:start;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline"><br></span></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial"><span style="color:rgb(84,84,84);font-family:arial,sans-serif;text-align:left;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small;text-align:start;text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline">Elsa De Luca</span></span></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Jun 30, 2018 at 9:34 AM, Prof. Dr. Morent <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:stefan.morent@uni-tuebingen.de" target="_blank">stefan.morent@uni-tuebingen.de</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><u></u>
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I see.<br>
If we agree that these names are more or less general "logical concepts" or technical placeholders not totally missleading we could see later on how to tie them to historical names.<br>
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Yes, that’s what we had plan to do; but I haven’t figured out how to do that properly and I’ve run out of time for this round.</div>
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In general, we have avoided naming neumes, but I needed to name few things. These are episema, quilisma, liquescent, oriscus, and strophicus / stropha.</div>
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We can revisit the naming of these things later.</div>
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On Jun 29, 2018, at 18:54, Prof. Dr. Morent <<a href="mailto:stefan.morent@uni-tuebingen.de" target="_blank">stefan.morent@uni-tuebingen.<wbr>de</a>> wrote:<br>
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Since historical nomenclature for neumes vary over time and space it wil be hard to find the one and only ...<br>
Is it possible to allow various names? Or point to various neume tables?<br>
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If we go with Strophicus, then we should rename the Pes, Podatus. That's the only thing, I think that we should keep in mind.</div>
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I need more votes to break the tie.<br>
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> On Jun 29, 2018, at 3:38 PM, Inga Behrendt <<a href="mailto:inga.behrendt@uni-tuebingen.de" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">inga.behrendt@uni-tuebingen.<wbr>de</a>> wrote:<br>
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> "I prefer <stropha>”<br>
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>> I’m considering introducing a new element <strophicus> (could be <stropha>).<br>
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>> What attributes should it have other than @pname, @oct, and @intm?<br>
>> Please provide an example that would explain the attribute.<br>
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>> Can we take a quick vote on your preference for the name: <strophicus> or <stropha>?<br>
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>> Just say: “I prefer <strophicus>” or "I prefer <stropha>”.<br>
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