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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Hi Ich,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">It seems I missed the email from Thomas and Elaine. What is the function of @ncsign? Is it to give a (more-or-less standard) name to the neume component?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Also, in the following example, it’s not a good idea to treat the initial letter and the remainder of the syllable as 2 syllables.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">> (Manuale missae et officiorum ex libris solesmensibus excerptum. Romae: Typis Sancti Petri de Solesmis, > Desclée, Lefebvre & Soc., 1902, p. 32)<br>
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> <syllable><br>
> <syl n=“initial">K</syl><br>
> <syl>Y-</syl><br>
> <neume><br>
> <nc oct= "3" pname= “g” /><br>
> <nc oct= "3" pname= “a” /><br>
> </neume><br>
> <neume><br>
> <nc oct= "3" pname= “g" /><br>
> <nc oct= "3" pname= “a” /><br>
> <nc oct= "3" pname= “g” /> <br>
> <nc oct= "3" pname= “g” ncsign=“oriscus” /><br>
> </neume><br>
> </syllable><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Two syllables assigned to the same note/neume is a signal for elision. This isn’t that.
<span style="font-family:Wingdings">J</span> Since the inial letter is a segment of the syllable, and an initial is a special kind of segment, I’d recommend the following instead –<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><syllable xmlns="http://www.music-encoding.org/ns/mei"><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <syl><seg type="initial">K</seg>Y</syl><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <neume><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <nc oct="3" pname="g"/><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <nc oct="3" pname="a"/><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </neume><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <neume><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <nc oct="3" pname="g"/><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <nc oct="3" pname="a"/><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <nc oct="3" pname="g"/><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <nc oct="3" pname="g" ncsign="oriscus"/><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </neume><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"></syllable><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Alternatively, we could add a special-purpose element, say <initial>, that can go inside <syl>.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">--<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">p.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> mei-neumes-ig [mailto:mei-neumes-ig-bounces@lists.uni-paderborn.de]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Ichiro Fujinaga, Prof.<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, January 20, 2018 3:33 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Neumes Interest Group of the Music Encoding Initiative <mei-neumes-ig@lists.uni-paderborn.de><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [mei-neumes-ig] @ncsign oriscus<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">As proposed by Thomas Weber and Elaine Stratton (in the email to this list on 2017-10-17), I added the @ncsign in the current "MEI Neumes Module Draft, Version 0.2.2”:<br>
<a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1iJ4S3epL0-IfOsOVm547Fg-VO_bORUbtRCW775nPQ1A">https://docs.google.com/document/d/1iJ4S3epL0-IfOsOVm547Fg-VO_bORUbtRCW775nPQ1A</a><br>
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Here are some examples for oriscus. I’ll post some examples for quilisma and strophicus in separate posts.<br>
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Any feedback would be appreciated.<br>
<br>
Ichiro<br>
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<img border="0" width="829" height="125" style="width:8.6319in;height:1.2986in" id="en-media_x003a_image_x002f_png_x003a_e7f9a4e892a4f4ac082b70b0fb186fd3_x003a_none_x003a_none" src="cid:image002.png@01D39366.6A5F15C0"><br>
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<neume><br>
<nc ncsign=“oriscus” intm=“s” s-shaped=“w” /><br>
</neume><br>
<br>
<img border="0" width="462" height="380" style="width:4.8125in;height:3.9583in" id="en-media_x003a_image_x002f_jpeg_x003a_fef690d19a3f60a8aecff28043a107ac_x003a_none_x003a_none" src="cid:image003.jpg@01D39366.6A5F15C0"><br>
(Manuale missae et officiorum ex libris solesmensibus excerptum. Romae: Typis Sancti Petri de Solesmis, Desclée, Lefebvre & Soc., 1902, p. 32)<br>
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<syllable><br>
<syl n=“initial">K</syl><br>
<syl>Y-</syl><br>
<neume><br>
<nc oct= "3" pname= “g” /><br>
<nc oct= "3" pname= “a” /><br>
</neume><br>
<neume><br>
<nc oct= "3" pname= “g" /><br>
<nc oct= "3" pname= “a” /><br>
<nc oct= "3" pname= “g” /> <br>
<nc oct= "3" pname= “g” ncsign=“oriscus” /><br>
</neume><br>
</syllable><br>
<br>
<img border="0" width="560" height="61" style="width:5.8333in;height:.6388in" id="en-media_x003a_image_x002f_png_x003a_aa9111ee570528fe04110ea59a11a7f4_x003a_none_x003a_none" src="cid:image005.png@01D39366.6A5F15C0"><br>
<neume><br>
<nc ncsign=“oriscus” intm=“n” s-shaped=“w” /><br>
</neume><br>
<br>
<img border="0" width="569" height="50" style="width:5.9305in;height:.5208in" id="en-media_x003a_image_x002f_png_x003a_38215b57219352b610e52488f317ed9e_x003a_none_x003a_none" src="cid:image007.png@01D39366.6A5F15C0"><br>
<neume><br>
<nc ncsign=“oriscus” intm=“n” s-shaped=“e” /><br>
</neume><br>
<br>
<img border="0" width="555" height="53" style="width:5.7847in;height:.5555in" id="en-media_x003a_image_x002f_png_x003a_124430ca4a99d1763fe3342c2f9873f8_x003a_none_x003a_none" src="cid:image009.png@01D39366.6A5F15C0"><br>
<neume><br>
<nc ncsign=“oriscus” intm=“n” curved=“c"/><br>
</neume><br>
<br>
<img border="0" width="139" height="108" style="width:1.4513in;height:1.125in" id="en-media_x003a_image_x002f_png_x003a_452009c5da6ed4ed444b022a198b210c_x003a_none_x003a_none" src="cid:image011.png@01D39366.6A5F15C0"><br>
<neume><br>
<nc intm=“n” tilt=“n” /><br>
<nc intm=‘su” ncsign=“oriscus” /><br>
<nc intm=“u” tilt=“n” /><br>
</neume><br>
<br>
<img border="0" width="124" height="95" style="width:1.2916in;height:.993in" id="en-media_x003a_image_x002f_png_x003a_09e1d28a1cde456c2720499729b10d92_x003a_none_x003a_none" src="cid:image013.png@01D39366.6A5F15C0"><br>
<br>
<br>
<neume><br>
<nc ntm=“n” tilt=“ne” /><br>
<nc intm=‘su” ncsign=“oriscus” /><br>
<nc intm=“u” tilt=“ne” /><br>
</neume><br>
<br>
<img border="0" width="757" height="64" style="width:7.8888in;height:.6666in" id="en-media_x003a_image_x002f_png_x003a_2b9447b498052e9d36d512e375bacc00_x003a_none_x003a_none" src="cid:image015.png@01D39366.6A5F15C0"><br>
<neume><br>
<nc ncsign=“oriscus” intm=“n” s-shaped=“s” /><br>
</neume><br>
<br>
<img border="0" width="758" height="67" style="width:7.8958in;height:.7013in" id="en-media_x003a_image_x002f_png_x003a_80f4bbf63c38b673151cc5fe5aebc8f3_x003a_none_x003a_none" src="cid:image017.png@01D39366.6A5F15C0"><br>
<neume><br>
<nc ncsign=“oriscus” intm=“n” s-shaped=“n” /><br>
</neume><br>
<br>
<img border="0" width="571" height="72" style="width:5.9513in;height:.75in" id="en-media_x003a_image_x002f_png_x003a_378a5c51b9ca295009ee1d6a17e0f98e_x003a_none_x003a_none" src="cid:image019.png@01D39366.6A5F15C0"><br>
<neume><br>
<nc ncsign=“oriscus” intm=“n” s-shaped=“e” /> <br>
</neume><br>
<br>
<img border="0" width="565" height="92" style="width:5.8888in;height:.9583in" id="en-media_x003a_image_x002f_png_x003a_9744fb5edfbd19ba8965966601ac90a0_x003a_none_x003a_none" src="cid:image021.png@01D39366.6A5F15C0"><br>
<br>
<neume><br>
<nc ncsign=“oriscus” intm=“n” ??? /><br>
</neume><br>
I think this is a case where we provide an image of this unusual neume.<br>
<br>
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