<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:16px">Comment </span><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:16px"><font color="#9900ff">below</font></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:16px"><br></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:16px">Andrew's Quote:</span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small"><i><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:16px"> This is problematic. If a line is written such that is not aligned perpendicular to the page edges, or it curves, or the page edges are not 90°) then from what baseline should the directional reference be?</span><br style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:16px"></i><i><font color="#9900ff">whatever the ductus/alignment of the notation is, </font></i><i><font color="#9900ff">always </font></i><i><font color="#9900ff">use </font></i><i><font color="#9900ff">the page baseline as reference. any straight line, either vertical or horizontal, would be encoded as n/s or e/w. All the other intermediate degrees of inclination would be encoded as ne, se, sw, nw (BTW there is a typo in the module description, below).</font></i></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small"><i><font color="#9900ff"> </font><br style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:16px"><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:16px">It is imperative to remember that this will be used to encode the music notation, not describe the shapes on a page.</span><br style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:16px"><font color="#9900ff">sure. however, the inclination of the pen-stroke is<b> </b>a graphical feature used to represent melodic information </font></i><i style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"><font color="#9900ff" face="verdana, sans-serif">in neumatic notations. in other words, </font></i><span style="color:rgb(153,0,255);font-style:italic">information on the melodic contour was conveyed by the scribes according to the directionality of the pen-stroke on the page. hence, the encoding of neumes cannot avoid to </span><i style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"><font color="#9900ff" face="verdana, sans-serif">take into account how the shapes look like on the page. </font></i></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small"><i style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"><font color="#9900ff" face="verdana, sans-serif"><br></font></i></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small"><i style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"><font color="#9900ff" face="verdana, sans-serif">Of course there were cases where scribes used different degrees of inclination of the pen-strokes without the intention to convey exact melodic information but we do not want to decide a priori which scribe was randomly using the inclination of the pen-stroke. In any case, it is important to reiterate that the inclination of the pen-stroke represents relevant musical information which needs to be captured in the encoding.</font></i></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default"><i><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:16px;color:rgb(34,34,34)">I would strongly suggest this be dropped, and another method of encoding the same information be developed.</span></i><br style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:16px"></div><div class="gmail_extra"><div><div class="gmail-m_-7845329159416138966gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small;display:inline"><font color="#9900ff">Sorry, but I really like this system. I have attempted to encode some OH neumes and this system works beautifully. I find it very straightforward, easy to be applied and, last but not least, it mirrors the shape of the neumes on the page with an accurate degree of approximation.</font></div></div><div dir="ltr"><font color="#9900ff" face="verdana, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div dir="ltr"><font color="#9900ff" face="verdana, sans-serif"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small;display:inline">Of course this is just my personal take, and if someone else has a better suggestion on how to encode the inclination of the pen-stroke, please do let us know! </div></font></div><div dir="ltr"><font color="#9900ff" face="verdana, sans-serif"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small;display:inline"><br></div></font></div><div dir="ltr"><font color="#9900ff" face="verdana, sans-serif"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small;display:inline">All the best, </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(53,28,117);display:inline"></div></font><span style="color:rgb(53,28,117);font-family:verdana,sans-serif"></span><p style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-repeat:initial"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><br></span></p><p style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;background-image:initial;background-position:initial;background-repeat:initial"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><font color="#999999" size="1"><a href="http://cesem.fcsh.unl.pt/en/pessoa/elsa-de-luca/" target="_blank">Elsa De
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<br><div class="gmail_quote">On 15 October 2017 at 09:59, Andrew Hankinson <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:andrew.hankinson@mail.mcgill.ca" target="_blank">andrew.hankinson@mail.mcgill.<wbr>ca</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Attribute: @tilt {n|ne|e|se|s|sw|w|ne} (north, northeast, etc.)<br>
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My previous message about directionality in MEI applies here too.<br>
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> On 15 Oct 2017, at 00:26, Ichiro Fujinaga, Prof. <<a href="mailto:ichiro.fujinaga@mcgill.ca" target="_blank">ichiro.fujinaga@mcgill.ca</a>> wrote:<br>
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> Dear all,<br>
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> Subsequent to the Cantus Ultimus meeting, we had several discussions in Halifax. This resulted in the MEI Neumes Module Draft, Version 0.21.<br>
><br>
> The changes from Version 0.2 can be viewed here:<br>
> <a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/14EVIGmBPdEtw7vXOPK8Uas7MG6WK6mxy_gQGSMpZH9A/edit?usp=sharing" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://docs.google.com/docume<wbr>nt/d/14EVIGmBPdEtw7vXOPK8Uas7M<wbr>G6WK6mxy_gQGSMpZH9A/edit?usp=s<wbr>haring</a><br>
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> I strongly suggest, for the ease of discussions online, that comments and questions on the Draft be restricted to one topic per email, e.g., one attribute at a time.<br>
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> Ichiro<br>
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> MEI Neumes Module Draft, Version 0.21 (2017-10-14)<br>
><br>
> A <neume> element consists of one or more <nc> element(s).<br>
> A <nc> (neume component) element is a single pitched event, although the exact pitch may not be known.<br>
><br>
> Attributes for <neume>:<br>
> @significative letters<br>
> @hispanicTick (type1|type2) ((further specifications required)<br>
><br>
> Attributes for <nc>:<br>
> @pname<br>
> @oct<br>
> @intm (interval melodic; relative to the previous <neume>) {u|d|s|n|sh|sl} (u = up, d = down, s = same, n = neutral/unknown, sh = same or higher (but not lower), sl = same or lower (but not higher))<br>
> @s-shaped {n|e|s|w) (north, east, south, west; the direction of the initial long stroke, i.e., the standard letter S is “w”, its mirror shape is “e”, the letter turned 90-degrees on its side is “s”, and its mirror shape is “n”)<br>
> @significative letters<br>
> @curved {a|c} (anticlockwise, clockwise)<br>
> @angled<br>
> @liquescence<br>
> @episema<br>
> @len (s|l} (short, long)<br>
> @tilt {n|ne|e|se|s|sw|w|ne} (north, northeast, etc.)<br>
> @quilisma {2|3|4} (2, 3, or 4 curves)<br>
> @con {g|l|e} (gapped, looped, extended) (connection to the previous <nc> within the same <neume>)<br>
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