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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext">Hi Thomas,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext">Mixing primitive datatypes; that is, “true|false|2|3”, creates a number of issues that I’d like to avoid. But there are other options –
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<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2"><![if !supportLists]><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">1.<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext">creating, as you suggest, two attributes each for quilisma and orisicus: quilisima and quilisma.form and orisicus and oriscus.form,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2"><![if !supportLists]><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">2.<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext">promoting @quilisma and @oriscus to element status and giving them attributes to describe their visual qualities,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2"><![if !supportLists]><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">3.<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext">creation of a customization for your project that substitutes “true|false” for “2|3” in the official schema.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext">We explored the 2nd possibility in Tours, but I’m not convinced that’s the best path because it creates inconsistency by promoting some attributes of <nc>
but not others. Also, are we likely to have the same issue with other attributes of <nc>? For instance, should the presence of a diagonalright (whatever that is) be separate from whether it’s pointing up or down? So, I’m inclined toward the 3rd option.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext">Adding @strophicus is simple, but what should its values be? True/false, like oriscus, etc. or something else?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext">To deal with pitch, we decided to add @pname and @oct on <nc>, but I’d like to hear why you think adding <note> inside <nc> is preferable.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext">I’m confused with regard to one of your suggestions about <accid>. You want <accid> to appear between <neume> elements and that’s exactly where they can currently
occur, but that makes them children of <syllable>, which you say you don’t want. Once you’ve cleared that up, adding <accid> as a child of <neume> isn’t a problem.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext">Likewise, adding <rubric> poses no problems. It should also come in handy for mensural notation.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext">--<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext"> mei-neumes-ig [mailto:mei-neumes-ig-bounces@lists.uni-paderborn.de]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Thomas Weber<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, May 18, 2017 10:32 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Neumes Interest Group of the Music Encoding Initiative <mei-neumes-ig@lists.uni-paderborn.de><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [mei-neumes-ig] A draft for the new Neumes Module schema<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Dear list,<br>
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because Elaine and me aren't in Tours, we looked through the draft together and would like to give our input for the upcoming meeting. From the perspective of Corpus monodicum, this definitely is heading in the right direction. There are some changes we'd
suggest:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>Quilisma/Oriscus</b>: So far, we've only encoded whether something is or is not an oriscus or quilisma - i.e. no more detailed information about the shape. The project won't change that, so we'd like to suggest to also offer a simple "true/false" option,
like with @episima. Mixing boolean and numbers is a little odd, but the alternative would be two separate attributes, which wouldn't be any handier.<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo1">
We'd suggest a <b>strophicus</b> attribute. Strophici could be handled using taxonomies, but they are so common that we think they deserve their own attribute, just like oriscus and quilisma.<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo1">
We'd need <<b>note</b>> inside <nc> to encode pitch information for diastematic notation - or alternatively, @pname/@oct on <nc>. <note> is probably preferable.<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo1">
Currently, you can put <<b>accid</b>> inside <syllable>. I don't think this is the appropriate place to put an accidental. We have two situations where we have to deal with accidentals:<o:p></o:p></li></ul>
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Accidentals that are "attached to" a neume. It would make most sense if they were child elements of that <neume> element.<o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo1">
Accidentals that are not attached to a neume, i.e. sort-of-but-not-quite key signatures. To use the currently allowed <keySig> (inside <staffDef>) in these situations doesn't seem appropriate. It would suggest that use and implications of these accidentals
are identical to modern key signatures, which as far as I understand is not the case - or we lack that knowledge. It would be useful to put them right between the <neume> elements - most of the time (but not always) immediately after a <sb>.<o:p></o:p></li></ul>
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We need to encode <b>rubrics</b> and would introduce a <rubric> element inside <layer>, ideally with a @type attribute that might be an open list with suggested values feast (e.g. for a rubric "De Sancto Stephano"), service (e.g. for a rubric "Ad summam missam")
and genre (e.g. for a rubric "Alleluia").<o:p></o:p></li></ul>
<p class="MsoNormal">During the last meeting in Tübingen, the <syllable> element was challenged. I think one motivation was to make the hierarchy of the neumes and mensural modules more compatible for projects that have to deal with both. We can't say a lot
about that, though.<br>
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To everybody in Tours: Have a great un-conference day!<br>
Thomas<br>
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Am 11.05.2017 um 09:26 schrieb Ichiro Fujinaga, Prof.:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">Dear List,<br>
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Perry Roland has kindly worked on a new version of the MEI Neumes Module schema.<br>
This was based on my suggestions, which were based on the discussions at the last MEI Neumes Interest Group (19 November 2016, Tübingen) and at various Cantus Ultimus meetings.
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<br>
I hope this will be a staring point for fruitful discussions on this list and at the upcoming Neumes Interest Group meeting in Tours on Friday 19 May.<br>
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Attached are an ODD file with Perry’s comments at the bottom; an RNG file; and a test MEI file. All provided by Perry.<br>
Below is what I provided to Perry.<br>
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A <neume> element consists of one or more <neumeComponent> element(s).<br>
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A <neumeComponent> is a single pitched event, although the exact pitch may not be known.<br>
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Attributes for <neume><br>
@direction (relative to the previous <neume>) {N|S|L|H|SH|SL}<br>
N: neutral or unknown<br>
H: higher<br>
L: lower<br>
S: same <br>
SH: same or higher (but not lower)<br>
SL: same or lower (but not higher)<br>
@significative letters<br>
@hispanicLoop (not sure about this)<br>
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Attributes for <neumeComponent><br>
@direction: pitch relative to the previous pitch (<neumeComponent>) within the same <neume> {N|S|L|H|SH|SL}<br>
N: neutral or unknown<br>
H: higher<br>
L: lower<br>
S: same or unison<br>
SH: same or higher (but not lower)<br>
SL: same or lower (but not higher)<br>
@wavy<br>
@curved (anticlockwise, clockwise)<br>
@angled<br>
@episma<br>
@flat<br>
@jagged<br>
@liquescence<br>
@extended<br>
@diagonal right (up or down)<br>
@quilisma (2 or 3 curves)<br>
@long<br>
@oriscus (curved, flat, jagged)<br>
@connection (gapped, looped) (to the previous neumeComponent within the same <neume>)<br>
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Ichiro<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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