<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;">If you remove the 'proport' element and use the 'mensur' element to encode the change in your second example, then Verovio seems to render it as expected.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><section><br class=""> <staff n="1"><br class=""> <layer n="1"><br class=""> <mensur num="3" sign="C" slash="1" /><br class=""> <note pname="a" oct="4" dur="1" dots="1" /><br class=""> <note pname="a" oct="4" dur="2" /><br class=""> <note pname="g" oct="4" dur="1" /><br class=""> <note pname="a" oct="4" dur="breve" /><br class=""> <note pname="a" oct="4" dur="1" /><br class=""> <barLine form="end"/><br class=""> </layer><br class=""> </staff><br class=""> <staff n="4"><br class=""> <layer n="1"><br class=""> <mensur sign="C" slash="1" num="3" /><br class=""> <note pname="d" oct="3" dur="1" dots="1" /><br class=""> <note pname="c" oct="3" dur="2" accid="s" /><br class=""> <note pname="b" oct="2" dur="1" accid="f" /><br class=""> <note pname="a" oct="2" dur="breve" /><br class=""> <note pname="d" oct="3" dur="1" /><br class=""> <barLine form="end"/><br class=""> </layer><br class=""> </staff><br class=""></section></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><img apple-inline="yes" id="4F5BDE33-0169-4F28-9F88-E249A1539029" width="640" height="102" src="cid:B1104C30-C0C4-4C82-9E15-668F9DD403CE" class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">The mensural example on the Verovio page has some handy patterns to follow. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><a href="https://www.verovio.org/test-suite.xhtml?cat=mensural" class="">https://www.verovio.org/test-suite.xhtml?cat=mensural</a></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">There were also a few XML errors in your examples (mostly around duplicate xml:id values). An XML editor can help you spot these problems, since they're probably going to cause other rendering issues if they aren't already.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Cheers!</div><div class="">-Andrew<br class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">On 8 Jul 2021, at 15:59, Cashner, Andrew <<a href="mailto:andrew.cashner@rochester.edu" class="">andrew.cashner@rochester.edu</a>> wrote:<br class=""><br class="">From an MEI-only perspective, then, is the first example correctly encoded? <br class="">Best,<br class="">Andrew<br class="">From: mei-l <<a href="mailto:mei-l-bounces@lists.uni-paderborn.de" class="">mei-l-bounces@lists.uni-paderborn.de</a>> on behalf of Klaus Rettinghaus <<a href="mailto:klaus.rettinghaus@gmail.com" class="">klaus.rettinghaus@gmail.com</a>><br class="">Sent: Thursday, July 8, 2021 9:29:06 AM<br class="">To: Music Encoding Initiative <<a href="mailto:mei-l@lists.uni-paderborn.de" class="">mei-l@lists.uni-paderborn.de</a>><br class="">Subject: [EXT] Re: [MEI-L] showing change of mensuration in new section<br class=""> <br class="">Dear Andrew, <br class=""><br class="">maybe this question is better to address directly to the Verovio developers than the entire community?<br class=""><br class="">Best, <br class="">Klaus<br class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">Am 08.07.2021 um 15:01 schrieb Cashner, Andrew <<a href="mailto:andrew.cashner@rochester.edu" class="">andrew.cashner@rochester.edu</a>>:<br class=""><br class="">Dear colleagues,<br class=""> <br class="">I cannot get changes of mensuration to show at the beginning of new sections. I am encoding 17th-century music in mensural style, putting <staff> and <layer> directly within <section> elements, and not using <measure> at all. I’m rendering with Verovio. <br class=""> <br class="">If I put the mensuration change inside a <scoreDef> within the <section>, no new mensuration shows at all. If I put <mensur> and <proport> elements directly into the <layer>, then it does show, but the proportion number is placed incorrectly (after or overlapping the first note). Example 1 below shows the scoreDef approach, and example 2 shows the layer approach. The first mensuration signature in this example should be “C3” and the second should be “cutC 3”.<br class=""> <br class="">I will be grateful for any help you can provide, and my apologies if there is something I missed in the documentation.<br class=""> <br class="">Best,<br class="">Andrew<br class=""> <br class="">Example 1:<br class=""><?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><br class=""><mei xmlns=https://www.music-encoding.org/ns/mei meiversion="4.0.1"><br class=""> <meiHead><br class=""> <fileDesc><br class=""> <titleStmt><br class=""> <title /><br class=""> </titleStmt><br class=""> <pubStmt /><br class=""> </fileDesc><br class=""> <encodingDesc /><br class=""> </meiHead><br class=""> <music><br class=""> <body><br class=""> <mdiv><br class=""> <score><br class=""> <scoreDef><br class=""> <staffGrp xml:id="chorus" n="1" bar.thru="false" symbol="bracket"><br class=""> <staffDef xml:id="soprano" n="1" <br class=""> lines="5" clef.line="2" clef.shape="G" <br class=""> mensur.sign="C" mensur.tempus="2" proport.num="3" key.sig="0" /><br class=""> <staffDef xml:id="bass" n="4" <br class=""> lines="5" clef.line="4" clef.shape="F" xml:id="midi.P4"<br class=""> mensur.sign="C" mensur.tempus="2" proport.num="3" key.sig="0" /><br class=""> </staffGrp><br class=""> </scoreDef><br class=""> <section><br class=""> <staff xml:id="soprano" n="1"><br class=""> <layer n="1"><br class=""> <note pname="a" oct="4" dur="2" /><br class=""> <note pname="a" oct="4" dur="2" /><br class=""> <note pname="b" oct="4" dur="2" accid="f" /><br class=""> <note pname="a" oct="4" dur="1" /><br class=""> <note pname="a" oct="4" dur="2" /><br class=""> <barLine form="dbl"/><br class=""> </layer><br class=""> </staff><br class=""> <staff xml:id="bass" n="4"><br class=""> <layer n="1"><br class=""> <note pname="d" oct="3" dur="2" /><br class=""> <note pname="d" oct="3" dur="2" /><br class=""> <note pname="g" oct="3" dur="2" /><br class=""> <note pname="a" oct="3" dur="1" /><br class=""> <note pname="d" oct="3" dur="2" /><br class=""> <barLine form="dbl"/><br class=""> </layer><br class=""> </staff><br class=""> </section><br class=""> <section><br class=""> <scoreDef><br class=""> <staffGrp xml:id="chorus" n="1"><br class=""> <staffDef xml:id="soprano" n="1"<br class=""> mensur.sign="C" slash="1" tempus="2" proport.num="3" /><br class=""> <staffDef xml:id="alto" n="2"<br class=""> mensur.sign="C" slash="1" tempus="2" proport.num="3" /><br class=""> <staffDef xml:id="tenor" n="3"<br class=""> mensur.sign="C" slash="1" tempus="2" proport.num="3" /><br class=""> <staffDef xml:id="bass" n="4"<br class=""> mensur.sign="C" slash="1" tempus="2" proport.num="3" /><br class=""> </staffGrp><br class=""> </scoreDef><br class=""> <staff xml:id="soprano" n="1"><br class=""> <layer n="1"><br class=""> <note pname="a" oct="4" dur="1" dots="1" /><br class=""> <note pname="a" oct="4" dur="2" /><br class=""> <note pname="g" oct="4" dur="1" /><br class=""> <note pname="a" oct="4" dur="breve" /><br class=""> <note pname="a" oct="4" dur="1" /><br class=""> <barLine form="end"/><br class=""> </layer><br class=""> </staff><br class=""> <staff xml:id="bass" n="4"><br class=""> <layer n="1"><br class=""> <note pname="d" oct="3" dur="1" dots="1" /><br class=""> <note pname="c" oct="3" dur="2" accid="s" /><br class=""> <note pname="b" oct="2" dur="1" accid="f" /><br class=""> <note pname="a" oct="2" dur="breve" /><br class=""> <note pname="d" oct="3" dur="1" /><br class=""> <barLine form="end"/><br class=""> </layer><br class=""> </staff><br class=""> </section><br class=""> </score><br class=""> </mdiv><br class=""> </body><br class=""> </music><br class=""></mei><br class=""> <br class="">Example 2:<br class=""><?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><br class=""><mei xmlns=https://www.music-encoding.org/ns/mei meiversion="4.0.1"><br class=""> <meiHead><br class=""> <fileDesc><br class=""> <titleStmt><br class=""> <title /><br class=""> </titleStmt><br class=""> <pubStmt /><br class=""> </fileDesc><br class=""> <encodingDesc /><br class=""> </meiHead><br class=""> <music><br class=""> <body><br class=""> <mdiv><br class=""> <score><br class=""> <scoreDef><br class=""> <staffGrp xml:id="chorus" n="1" bar.thru="false" symbol="bracket"><br class=""> <staffDef xml:id="soprano" n="1" <br class=""> lines="5" clef.line="2" clef.shape="G" <br class=""> mensur.sign="C" mensur.tempus="2" proport.num="3" key.sig="0" /><br class=""> <staffDef xml:id="bass" n="4" <br class=""> lines="5" clef.line="4" clef.shape="F" xml:id="midi.P4"<br class=""> mensur.sign="C" mensur.tempus="2" proport.num="3" key.sig="0" /><br class=""> </staffGrp><br class=""> </scoreDef><br class=""> <section><br class=""> <staff xml:id="soprano" n="1"><br class=""> <layer n="1"><br class=""> <note pname="a" oct="4" dur="2" /><br class=""> <note pname="a" oct="4" dur="2" /><br class=""> <note pname="b" oct="4" dur="2" accid="f" /><br class=""> <note pname="a" oct="4" dur="1" /><br class=""> <note pname="a" oct="4" dur="2" /><br class=""> <barLine form="dbl"/><br class=""> </layer><br class=""> </staff><br class=""> <staff xml:id="bass" n="4"><br class=""> <layer n="1"><br class=""> <note pname="d" oct="3" dur="2" /><br class=""> <note pname="d" oct="3" dur="2" /><br class=""> <note pname="g" oct="3" dur="2" /><br class=""> <note pname="a" oct="3" dur="1" /><br class=""> <note pname="d" oct="3" dur="2" /><br class=""> <barLine form="dbl"/><br class=""> </layer><br class=""> </staff><br class=""> </section><br class=""> <section><br class=""> <staff xml:id="soprano" n="1"><br class=""> <layer n="1"><br class=""> <mensur sign="C" slash="1" tempus="2"/><br class=""> <proport num="3"/><br class=""> <note pname="a" oct="4" dur="1" dots="1" /><br class=""> <note pname="a" oct="4" dur="2" /><br class=""> <note pname="g" oct="4" dur="1" /><br class=""> <note pname="a" oct="4" dur="breve" /><br class=""> <note pname="a" oct="4" dur="1" /><br class=""> <barLine form="end"/><br class=""> </layer><br class=""> </staff><br class=""> <staff xml:id="bass" n="4"><br class=""> <layer n="1"><br class=""> <mensur sign="C" slash="1" tempus="2"/><br class=""> <proport num="3"/><br class=""> <note pname="d" oct="3" dur="1" dots="1" /><br class=""> <note pname="c" oct="3" dur="2" accid="s" /><br class=""> <note pname="b" oct="2" dur="1" accid="f" /><br class=""> <note pname="a" oct="2" dur="breve" /><br class=""> <note pname="d" oct="3" dur="1" /><br class=""> <barLine form="end"/><br class=""> </layer><br class=""> </staff><br class=""> </section><br class=""> </score><br class=""> </mdiv><br class=""> </body><br class=""> </music><br class=""></mei><br class=""> <br class="">***<br class="">Andrew A. Cashner, PhD<br class="">Assistant professor of music, University of Rochester<br class=""> <br class="">_______________________________________________<br class="">mei-l mailing list<br class="">mei-l@lists.uni-paderborn.de<br class="">https://lists.uni-paderborn.de/mailman/listinfo/mei-l<br class=""></blockquote><br class="">_______________________________________________<br class="">mei-l mailing list<br class=""><a href="mailto:mei-l@lists.uni-paderborn.de" class="">mei-l@lists.uni-paderborn.de</a><br class="">https://lists.uni-paderborn.de/mailman/listinfo/mei-l<br class=""></blockquote><br class=""></div></body></html>