<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">The notation in measure 18 and 19 in the third system (given as a PDF attachment in case inline images are removed):<div><br></div><div><div><img src="cid:ii_jrsy7xy61" alt="Screen Shot 2019-02-06 at 3.39.41 AM.png" width="258" height="74" style="margin-right: 0px;"><br></div><div>Is shorthand for:</div><div><div><img src="cid:ii_jrsy7gne0" alt="Screen Shot 2019-02-06 at 3.39.46 AM.png" width="412" height="82"><br></div></div></div><div><br></div><div>MEI's primary focus is on the visual aspect of the notation. So the slur/tie in the second repeat should have a @startid attaching to the barline at the beginning of the second repeat (or a @tstamp of 0, also representing the barline at the start of the measure).</div><div><br></div><div>When the semantics of the situation is in conflict with the visual grammar (as in this case where the slur/tie start on a barline), then there should be a parallel gestural parameter to clarify the performance meaning (i.e., "semantics") of the element. So in these cases, the slur/tie starting on the barline in the second repeat should contain an additional gestural attribute called @startid.ges. This is a parallel situation to note@accid & note@accid.ges, note@dur & note@dur.ges, as well as note@dots & note@dots.ges.</div><div><br></div><div>@startid.ges does not yet exist:<br></div><div> <a href="https://music-encoding.org/guidelines/v4/elements/slur.html">https://music-encoding.org/guidelines/v4/elements/slur.html</a></div><div> <a href="https://music-encoding.org/guidelines/v4/elements/tie.html">https://music-encoding.org/guidelines/v4/elements/tie.html</a></div><div>So it will first need to be added to the MEI schema before it can be used. For notation rendering, @startid would be used, but for performance rendering (i.e., converting to a MIDI file), @startid.ges would be used.</div><div><br></div><div>This sort of encoding would also apply to the other situations on the page that you mention (where @endid.ges will also be required).</div><div><br></div><div>-=+Craig</div><div><br></div></div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, 6 Feb 2019 at 02:43, Andrew Hankinson <<a href="mailto:andrew.hankinson@bodleian.ox.ac.uk">andrew.hankinson@bodleian.ox.ac.uk</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">You could also have two ties with the same startid and a different endid. I'm not sure how Verovio would render it, but that would seem to me to be the most 'semantic' markup.<br>
<br>
-Andrew<br>
<br>
> On 5 Feb 2019, at 17:31, Werner Goebl <<a href="mailto:goebl@mdw.ac.at" target="_blank">goebl@mdw.ac.at</a>> wrote:<br>
> <br>
> Hi Andrew,<br>
> <br>
> thanks for your message. Sure, but then you only have one start and one end id, but for my example 1, I need two start ids or for example 2 two end ids.<br>
> <br>
> To clarify my problem, please see the attached MEI file with two slur elements for each of the two problems (renders strangely).<br>
> <br>
> Thanks,<br>
> Werner<br>
> <br>
> On 05.02.19 17:16, Andrew Hankinson wrote:<br>
>> Hi Werner,<br>
>> I would use the @startid and @endid attributes on the <tie> (or <slur>) elements:<br>
>> <tie startid="#note-id1" endid="#note-id2" /><br>
>> This would mean that you would need to assign xml:ids to the note elements:<br>
>> <note xml:id="note-id1" ... /><br>
>> <note xml:id="note-id2" ... /><br>
>> -Andrew<br>
>>> On 5 Feb 2019, at 17:10, Werner Goebl <<a href="mailto:goebl@mdw.ac.at" target="_blank">goebl@mdw.ac.at</a>> wrote:<br>
>>> <br>
>>> Dear list,<br>
>>> <br>
>>> How would you encode a slur or tie that spans across a repetition sign and an ending block or across two ending blocks?<br>
>>> <br>
>>> Please see attached an excerpt from Beethoven Op. 57, 2nd movement.<br>
>>> <br>
>>> 1) There is a tie in the bass (bars 1--2) across a repeat start. The same tie is drawn in bar 9 with a repetition bar line in the first ending (prima volta) that leads back to bar 2.<br>
>>> <br>
>>> You could encode the ties as note attributes with multiple tie="i" or tie="t".<br>
>>> <br>
>>> The first example in bar 1--2/9--2 would be like this:<br>
>>> <br>
>>> <measure n="1"><br>
>>> ...<br>
>>> <note dur="8" oct="1" pname="g" accid.ges="f" tie="i" /><br>
>>> ...<br>
>>> </measure><br>
>>> <measure n="2" left="rptstart"><br>
>>> ...<br>
>>> <note dur="8" oct="1" pname="g" accid.ges="f" tie="t" /><br>
>>> ...<br>
>>> </measure><br>
>>> ...<br>
>>> <ending n="1"><br>
>>> ...<br>
>>> <measure n="9" right="rptend"><br>
>>> ...<br>
>>> <note dur="8" oct="1" pname="g" accid.ges="f" tie="i" /><br>
>>> ... <br>
>>> </measure><br>
>>> </ending><br>
>>> <br>
>>> 2) Another version of this problem is the tie from bar 7--8 into ending 1 and into ending 2. (A second such example occurs in the 3rd staff group.)<br>
>>> <br>
>>> <measure n="7"><br>
>>> ...<br>
>>> <note dur="8" oct="1" pname="a" accid.ges="f" tie="i" /><br>
>>> ...<br>
>>> </measure><br>
>>> <ending n="1"><br>
>>> <measure n="8"><br>
>>> ...<br>
>>> <note dur="8" oct="1" pname="a" accid.ges="f" tie="t" /><br>
>>> ...<br>
>>> </measure><br>
>>> ...<br>
>>> </ending><br>
>>> <ending n="2"><br>
>>> <measure n="8"><br>
>>> ...<br>
>>> <note dur="8" oct="1" pname="a" accid.ges="f" tie="t" /><br>
>>> ... <br>
>>> </measure><br>
>>> ...<br>
>>> </ending><br>
>>> <br>
>>> In both approaches, Verovio only renders the tie in the first ending, but not in the second.<br>
>>> <br>
>>> Is there a better way to encode such overlapping slurs/ties, in a way that Verovio actually renders? Would a modified tie element help that allows for multiple endids in such cases? Or is there another correct way of encoding this?<br>
>>> <br>
>>> All the best,<br>
>>> Werner & David<br>
>>> <br>
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