<div dir="ltr">Hello Charbel,<div><br></div><div>It would be possible in MEI now to encode using the flat with a slash through it to represent a quarter-flat symbol.</div><div><br></div><div>The SMuFL font includes such an accidental:</div><div>   <a href="http://www.smufl.org/version/latest/glyph/accidentalBakiyeFlat">http://www.smufl.org/version/latest/glyph/accidentalBakiyeFlat</a><br></div><div>from this group of accidentals:</div><div>   <a href="http://www.smufl.org/version/latest/range/arelEzgiUzdilekAeuAccidentals">http://www.smufl.org/version/latest/range/arelEzgiUzdilekAeuAccidentals</a><br></div><div><br></div><div>More specific description of accidentals can be added to notes in MEI using the accid element attached to note elements:</div><div>     <a href="http://music-encoding.org/guidelines/v3/elements/accid.html">http://music-encoding.org/guidelines/v3/elements/accid.html</a></div><div><br></div><div>So encoding such a flat currently in MEI would be:</div><div><br></div><div><font color="#9900ff"><note dur="4" oct="5" pname="e"><br></font></div><div><div><font color="#9900ff">    <accid</font><font color="#0000ff"><b> accid="1qf"</b></font><font color="#9900ff"> </font><font color="#ff00ff"><b>glyphnum="#xE442"</b></font><font color="#9900ff"> /></font></div><div><font color="#9900ff"></note></font></div></div><div><br></div><div>The attribute "glyphnum" specifies the SMuFL character number which is E442 for the flat symbol with a slash through it.</div><div><br></div><div>I have tried this encoding in verovio, and it is not implemented.  You could add a request for implementing in verovio here:</div><div>     <a href="https://github.com/rism-ch/verovio/issues">https://github.com/rism-ch/verovio/issues</a></div><div>(requires that you have a free account on github to post the request).</div><div><br></div><div>Here is the previous example I encoded using the E442 glyphnum for<img src="cid:ii_jj5phg8a1_164603f44ea089d3" width="26" height="19" style="margin-right: 0px;">:</div><div><br></div><div><div><?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?></div><div><?xml-model href="<a href="http://music-encoding.org/schema/4.0.0/mei-all.rng">http://music-encoding.org/schema/4.0.0/mei-all.rng</a>" type="application/xml" schematypens="<a href="http://relaxng.org/ns/structure/1.0">http://relaxng.org/ns/structure/1.0</a>"?></div><div><?xml-model href="<a href="http://music-encoding.org/schema/4.0.0/mei-all.rng">http://music-encoding.org/schema/4.0.0/mei-all.rng</a>" type="application/xml" schematypens="<a href="http://purl.oclc.org/dsdl/schematron">http://purl.oclc.org/dsdl/schematron</a>"?></div><div><mei xmlns="<a href="http://www.music-encoding.org/ns/mei">http://www.music-encoding.org/ns/mei</a>" meiversion="4.0.0"></div><div>    <meiHead></div><div>        <fileDesc></div><div>            <titleStmt></div><div>                <title /></div><div>            </titleStmt></div><div>            <pubStmt /></div><div>        </fileDesc></div><div>        <encodingDesc></div><div>            <appInfo></div><div>                <application isodate="2018-07-03T14:48:46" version="2.0.0-dev-f99f5ee"></div><div>                    <name>Verovio</name></div><div>                    <p>Transcoded from Humdrum</p></div><div>                </application></div><div>            </appInfo></div><div>        </encodingDesc></div><div>        <workDesc></div><div>            <work></div><div>                <titleStmt></div><div>                    <title /></div><div>                </titleStmt></div><div>            </work></div><div>        </workDesc></div><div>    </meiHead></div><div>    <music></div><div>        <body></div><div>            <mdiv xml:id="mdiv-0000000921666019"></div><div>                <score xml:id="score-0000002027726695"></div><div>                    <scoreDef xml:id="scoredef-0000001348949585"></div><div>                        <staffGrp xml:id="staffgrp-0000001221224857"></div><div>                            <staffDef xml:id="staffdef-0000000660985943" clef.shape="G" clef.line="2" n="1" lines="5"></div><div>                                <label xml:id="label-0000000200297176" /></div><div>                            </staffDef></div><div>                        </staffGrp></div><div>                    </scoreDef></div><div>                    <section xml:id="section-L1F1"></div><div>                        <measure xml:id="measure-L1" right="dbl" n="0"></div><div>                            <staff xml:id="staff-0000001652783252" n="1"></div><div>                                <layer xml:id="layer-L1F1N1" n="1"></div><div>                                    <note xml:id="note-L3F1" dur="4" oct="4" pname="d" accid.ges="n" /></div><div>                                    <note xml:id="note-L4F1" dur="4" oct="4" pname="e"></div><div>                                        <accid xml:id="accid-L4F1" accid="1qf" glyphnum="#xE442" /></div><div>                                    </note></div><div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<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0">Hello Craig,</p>
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<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0">First of all, thank you for replying.</p>
<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0">In my question concerning the half-flat, I meant the Arabic half-flat (Arabic quarter-tone flat) that has the same symbol as the one shown in the picture above.</p>
<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0">The one that you sent to me is the Turkish half-flat that has a different symbol than this one. Does this (Arabic half-flat) exist now in MEI accidental and can we include it in the key signature? Can verovio also support
 the rendering of the half-flat described above?</p>
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<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0">Thank you in advance,</p>
<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0">Charbel El Achkar</p>
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<div id="m_-9191987098126650101divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr"><font face="Calibri, sans-serif" style="font-size:11pt" color="#000000"><b>From:</b> Craig Sapp <<a href="mailto:craigsapp@gmail.com" target="_blank">craigsapp@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, July 3, 2018 1:59 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Music Encoding Initiative<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:charbelelachkar@hotmail.com" target="_blank">charbelelachkar@hotmail.com</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [MEI-L] Half flat (Arabic quarter-tone flat)</font>
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<div>Yes, half-flats are possible in MEI and verovio.  Here is the MEI list of accidentals:</div>
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<div><span style="font-size:small;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);float:none;display:inline">("1qf" is the name of the "one quarter-tone flat" in MEI data)</span><br>
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<div>> <span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:16px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);float:none;display:inline">if yes can we also encode this half-flat at the beginning of the musical piece (armature) in order
 to apply it to a specified string in the musical measure?</span></div>
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<div><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:16px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);float:none;display:inline">Do you mean include half-flats in the key signature, or another graphical system for the instrument
 tuning?  The first should be possible in MEI, although I do not know if it is implemented in verovio, the second is unlikely implemented in verovio, and probably not in MEI.</span></div>
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<div>Here is an example with half-flats.  The rendering in verovio:</div>
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<div class="m_-9191987098126650101x_gmail_quote">On 3 July 2018 at 12:37, Charbel El Achkar <span dir="ltr">
<<a href="mailto:charbelelachkar@hotmail.com" id="m_-9191987098126650101LPlnk130681" class="m_-9191987098126650101OWAAutoLink" target="_blank">charbelelachkar@hotmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0">I would like to ask if the Half flat (Arabic quarter-tone flat) is available now in MEI in order to encode it as MEI accidental and if verovio supports the rendering of this feature?</p>
<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0">please provide an example (.svg) . if yes can we also encode this half-flat at the beginning of the musical piece (armature) in order to apply it to a specified string in the musical measure?</p>
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<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0"><span>Thank you for your cooperation</span>,</p>
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