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--></style></head><body lang=DE link=blue vlink="#954F72"><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB>Hi Agnes,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB>why do you think using <del> is tag abuse?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB>You added a screenshot of a source showing this exact case to us. So, if you want to encode this particular case, I don’t think it is tag abuse to use <del> because it describes the case exactly as it is. Indeed, using <del> without the notion of describing the deleted text below that rest would be tag abuse.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB>In another case this discussion could be made about the use of <sic>: Is it appropriate to use <sic> in a case, where something so severely erroneous needs to be encoded that it could not be valid without it?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB>I think, such decisions depend on the particular case. A transcription of a manuscript has other requirements than a critical or a performance edition.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB>It would be nice, if you could give a little more context of what you actually want to achieve in that particular case. That would help a lot.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB>Thanks in advance.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB>Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-GB>Anna<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div style='mso-element:para-border-div;border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal style='border:none;padding:0cm'><b>Von: </b><a href="mailto:aseipelt@mail.uni-paderborn.de">Agnes Seipelt</a><br><b>Gesendet: </b>Dienstag, 6. März 2018 14:12<br><b>An: </b><a href="mailto:mei-l@lists.uni-paderborn.de">Music Encoding Initiative</a><br><b>Betreff: </b>[MEI-L] Encoding of lyrics under a rest</p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US>Dear MEI community,</span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US>I hope that someone can help me with an encoding probIem. In the manuscript there are lyrics under a rest (that is obviously a mistake because the text is also crossed out). You can see it in the screenshot. </span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US><img border=0 width=222 height=90 style='width:2.3125in;height:.9375in' id="_x0033_CF13021-E03B-4A85-AD76-A4F394607F83" src="cid:7403F6CB-B199-4E77-B664-B8990FB2CD78@wlan.hs-owl.de" alt="cid:7403F6CB-B199-4E77-B664-B8990FB2CD78@wlan.hs-owl.de"></span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US>I use MEI-CMN (and also tried MEI-all), rests cannot contain lyrics or verse, the only solution would be to integrate lyrics in a del-element within a rest:</span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt;text-indent:35.4pt;background:white;text-autospace:none'><span style='font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#000096'><rest</span><span style='font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#F5844C'> dur</span><span style='font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#FF8040'>=</span><span style='font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#993300'>"4"</span><span style='font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#000096'>></span><span style='font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'><br> <span style='color:#000096'><del></span><br> <span style='color:#000096'><lyrics></span><br> <span style='color:#000096'><verse/></span><br> <span style='color:#000096'></lyrics></span><br> <span style='color:#000096'></del></span> <br> <span style='color:#000096'></rest></span></span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:white;text-autospace:none'><span style='font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#000096'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:white;text-autospace:none'><span lang=EN-US>In this case the lyrics are deleted so this would be a solution. But I think it is “tag-abuse” because the del-element is necessary to validate the document.</span> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:white;text-autospace:none'><span lang=EN-US>Another idea is to encode the lyrics as control event within the measure:</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:70.8pt;background:white;text-autospace:none'><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#000096'>…</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:35.4pt;text-indent:35.4pt;background:white;text-autospace:none'><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#000096'></staff></span><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'><br> <span style='color:#000096'><lyrics</span><span style='color:#F5844C'> synch</span><span style='color:#FF8040'>=</span><span style='color:#993300'>"xy"</span><span style='color:#000096'>></span><br> <span style='color:#000096'><verse></span><br> <span style='color:#000096'><syl/></span><br> <span style='color:#000096'></verse></span><br> <span style='color:#000096'></lyrics></span></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US>Unfortunately, there is no attribute like @tstamp or @startid to point to the element the lyrics are related to. There is only @synch that “points to elements that are synchronous with the current element”. But I think this would also be “tag-abuse”.</span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US>Does somebody have an idea how to solve this problem?</span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Thanks in advance!</p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span lang=EN-US> </span>Agnes </p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>-----<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>Agnes Seipelt M.A.<br>Wissenschaftliche Mitarbeiterin<br>Musikwissenschaftliches Seminar Detmold/Paderborn<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>FORUM Wissenschaft | Bibliothek | Musik<br>Hornsche Str. 39 32756 Detmold<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='color:black'>Tel. +49 5231 975677<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></body></html>