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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">If I remember correctly, the TEI process creates an RNG schema and then uses Trang to convert it to XSD. This is the same thing oXygen is doing. In fact, they both result
in the same broken XSD. Somehow, Trang has the idea that attributes defined in the included schemas, xml.xsd and xlink.xsd, are required. Editing these files to make all the attributes optional results in a usable XSD. It would be wonderful if someone with
more experience with XSD than me (I really don’t have any) investigated why Trang does what it does and made recommendations for changing the ODD to get a better result.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Andrew Hankinson<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, November 13, 2015 8:36 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Music Encoding Initiative<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [MEI-L] MEI as XSD or DTD<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">For what it's worth, it's pretty easy to generate an XSD file directly from the MEI source using the TEI Stylesheets.
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<p class="MsoNormal">1. Get the TEI Stylesheet source: <a href="https://github.com/TEIC/Stylesheets">
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<p class="MsoNormal">2. In the 'bin' directory there are a number of commands. You should run one to see if it complains -- you may need 'ant', 'jing', or 'trang' (but maybe not...)<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">3. To generate an XSD from, e.g., the MEI CMN Customization:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">$> bin/teitoxsd --localsource=/path/to/mei/source/driver.xml /path/to/mei/customizations/mei-CMN.xml<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">This should generate the mei-CMN.xml.xsd file in the customizations directory. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Many of the commands can be replaced to produce different outputs, so teitorelaxng or teitodtd.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">For reference I've attached the most recent (MEI 3.0.0 pre-release) MEI-CMN XSD along with xlink, svg, and xml files as well.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">No, don't be confused! I'm not an "XML person" so my knowledge of the kinds of tools that are out there is somewhat limited. That's why I asked.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">some months ago I was looking for XML editors with schema-based auto-completion and Oxygen is the only one I know with RNG support. Some others, as Rinzo, the
TextGrid Lab and the XML Tools Plugin for Notepad++ support only auto-completion based on XSD.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">And, okay… because C# is the programming language I’m using most, I don’t know how good the RelaxNG support in other frameworks is, but the .net framework provides
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I have to admit that I am a little bit surprised of your question. Apart from the “digital humanities community” I don’t know any person working with XML data
that are aware of RelaxNG, they’re all using XML schema. Hm, I feel a little bit confused right now.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Von:</span></b><span class="xapple-converted-space"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">mei-l
[<a href="mailto:mei-l-bounces@lists.uni-paderborn.de"><span style="color:purple">mailto:mei-l-bounces@lists.uni-paderborn.de</span></a>]<span class="xapple-converted-space"> </span><b>Im Auftrag von<span class="xapple-converted-space"> </span></b>Andrew Hankinson<br>
<b>Gesendet:</b><span class="xapple-converted-space"> </span>Freitag, 13.<span class="xapple-converted-space"> </span>November 2015 09:23<br>
<b>An:</b><span class="xapple-converted-space"> </span>Music Encoding Initiative <<a href="mailto:mei-l@lists.uni-paderborn.de"><span style="color:purple">mei-l@lists.uni-paderborn.de</span></a>><br>
<b>Betreff:</b><span class="xapple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [MEI-L] MEI as XSD or DTD</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Von:</span></b><span class="xapple-converted-space"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">mei-l
[</span><a href="mailto:mei-l-bounces@lists.uni-paderborn.de"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:purple">mailto:mei-l-bounces@lists.uni-paderborn.de</span></a><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">]<span class="xapple-converted-space"> </span><b>Im
Auftrag von<span class="xapple-converted-space"> </span></b>Roland, Perry D. (pdr4h)<br>
<b>Gesendet:</b><span class="xapple-converted-space"> </span>Donnerstag, 12.<span class="xapple-converted-space"> </span>November 2015 21:49<br>
<b>An:</b><span class="xapple-converted-space"> </span></span><a href="mailto:mei-l@lists.uni-paderborn.de"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:purple">mei-l@lists.uni-paderborn.de</span></a><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><br>
<b>Betreff:</b><span class="xapple-converted-space"> </span>[MEI-L] MEI as XSD or DTD</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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conversion of the RNG to an XSD or DTD form won't work. Is there a need to maintain compatibility with XML Schema or DTDs?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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Perry Roland<br>
University of Virginia<br>
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pdr4h (at) virginia (dot) edu</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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