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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Hi, Andrew,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">The same styles of lines can also turn up as first and second endings, so if “line” is divorced from musical semantics, it could in other contexts produce ambiguities.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">The exact presentation of editorial markup styles varies from one publisher to another. We inventoried methods of indicating da capo returns and their (re)starting
points once. When we accumulated 25, we decided to give up on signs and settle for semantic meanings. In a mark-up language environment, an argument can be made for representing meaning and leaving refinements to the software.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">In starting with Sibelius (or any other notation software) the direction is reversed, and of course the questions change. So the real question may be how to
deal with the idiosyncracies that will inevitably arise. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Eleanor<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> mei-l [mailto:mei-l-bounces@lists.uni-paderborn.de]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Andrew Hankinson<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, September 30, 2015 2:25 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Music Encoding Initiative<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [MEI-L] Bracketed Lines in MEI<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi Eleanor,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thank you for responding. Perhaps it would be helpful if I could give the full context of why I'm asking: The common use of this symbol is, indeed, to signify a ligature, and it's even what it's supposed to be doing in the particular example
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<p class="MsoNormal">However, I'm looking to translate this score from Sibelius (which is the environment I'm in) to MEI. As such, I don't think I can assume that everywhere a bracket like this occurred it "meant" a ligature, especially given the range of brackets
one may encounter in this software:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">This is why I hope to use the more generic "line" element to represent this particular graphic, and am looking for a way to represent its start and end points without also giving it any particular meaning.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">That said, one of the modifications I hope to work on soon is the translation of common editorial idioms from Sibelius into editorial markup, e.g., assuming notes under a group are ligatures, or assuming that a sharp symbol above the staff
is a ficta, and marking it up as such in the MEI. This would be an option that a person would enable when they exported their file to MEI, but for now I'm focusing on just getting the symbols encoded.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks again,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">-Andrew<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Sep 30, 2015, at 4:59 PM, Eleanor Selfridge-Field <<a href="mailto:esfield@stanford.edu">esfield@stanford.edu</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Hi, Andrew,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">This is a ligature (the three notes were connected in the original notation).</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">The ligature element (<a href="http://music-encoding.org/documentation/2.1.1/ligature/"><span style="color:#954F72">http://music-encoding.org/documentation/2.1.1/ligature/</span></a>)
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Eleanor</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span class="apple-converted-space"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">mei-l
[<a href="mailto:mei-l-bounces@lists.uni-paderborn.de"><span style="color:#954F72">mailto:mei-l-bounces@lists.uni-paderborn.de</span></a>]<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Andrew Hankinson<br>
<b>Sent:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Wednesday, September 30, 2015 1:42 PM<br>
<b>To:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Music Encoding Initiative<br>
<b>Subject:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>[MEI-L] Bracketed Lines in MEI</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hello all,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I'm looking at the following:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">It seems that the best element to use in this case would be 'line'; however, the line element currently does not support durational attributes (@dur, @dur.ges, @tstamp, @tstamp2) or positional (@staff, @layer, @place). <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Is there a better element to use for this object, or should a modification be proposed for the schema?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Many thanks,<o:p></o:p></p>
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