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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Makes sense. I’ll add the extra attributes (@staff, @layer, @place, @tstamp, @tstamp2, @dur, and @dur.ges) to my to-do list for the next release.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> mei-l [mailto:mei-l-bounces@lists.uni-paderborn.de]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Andrew Hankinson<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, September 30, 2015 5:57 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Music Encoding Initiative<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [MEI-L] Bracketed Lines in MEI<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Sibelius positions it within its own timing system, which gives you (in a measure of 4/4) 1024 positions. However, most often than not the lines are tied to a note, which is at a specific position. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I've got a process that tries to find the nearest note to a given position, and then uses that for the start/end IDs. Failing that, it will record @tstamp/@tstamp2 for start/end relative to the measure/staff/layer. It will also record the
@dur.ges, just to store the "performed" duration from Sibelius (e.g., dur.ges="256p" would mean that the duration is a quarter-note in Sibelius ticks).<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">So @tstamp/@tstamp2 and @staff/@layer are the most critical parts of ensuring we can preserve the location of the note, beyond @start/end id.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Sep 30, 2015, at 5:49 PM, Roland, Perry D. (pdr4h) <<a href="mailto:pdr4h@eservices.virginia.edu">pdr4h@eservices.virginia.edu</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Ok, but are @startid and @endid sufficient? How does Sibelius position the line?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">p.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span class="apple-converted-space"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> </span></span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">mei-l
[<a href="mailto:mei-l-bounces@lists.uni-paderborn.de"><span style="color:purple">mailto:mei-l-bounces@lists.uni-paderborn.de</span></a>]<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Andrew Hankinson<br>
<b>Sent:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Wednesday, September 30, 2015 5:42 PM<br>
<b>To:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Music Encoding Initiative<br>
<b>Subject:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [MEI-L] Bracketed Lines in MEI</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">No, I'm not using any of those particular attributes since I can't really extract those from the Sibelius original.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I will go ahead and create a pull request that adds these attributes to line. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks!<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Sep 30, 2015, at 5:35 PM, Roland, Perry D. (pdr4h) <<a href="mailto:pdr4h@eservices.virginia.edu"><span style="color:purple">pdr4h@eservices.virginia.edu</span></a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Line is the appropriate entity. I can hear the sighs now, but the ligature element in MEI is not intended for these brackets – “The ligature element should not be used for
brackets in modern notation that indicate notes that were part of a ligature in the original source.” (from the description of ligature in the schema) and so it’s currently in the MEI.mensural module – it disappears when MEI.mensural is not invoked. Creation
of a similar entity for CMN or merging of ligatures in both repertoires is a possibility, but the topic needs discussion.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Currently, a line can only be positioned relative to the objects referenced by its @startid and @endid attributes using @start(ho|to|vo) and @end(ho|to|vo). But, I don’t
think there’s any reason not to allow @tstamp, @tstamp2, @staff, @layer and @place. Even so, I think the best (that is, most precise) way to position lines is by associating them with specific events or time stamps. The @staff, @layer, @place attributes
can only be useful for making sure the lines associated with a particular staff are considered when processing that staff’s data, for instance when rendering a single staff (e.g., part extraction).</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">In any case,have a look at the mei-all_anyStart.odd in /develop-perry. Line has undergone some significant changes. Its new attributes:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">endsym: angledown -- 90 degree turn down (similar to Unicode 231D at end of line, 231C at start).</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent:.5in"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">angleup -- 90 degree turn up (similar to Unicode 231F at end of line, 231E at start)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent:.5in"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">angleright -- 90 degree turn right (syntactic sugar for "angledown" for vertical or angled lines).</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-indent:.5in"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">angleleft -- 90 degree turn left (syntactic sugar for "angleup" for vertical or angled lines).</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Andrew, when you say you’re supporting MEI 3.0.0 in SibMEI, are you using these new attributes?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">p.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span class="apple-converted-space"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> </span></span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">mei-l
[<a href="mailto:mei-l-bounces@lists.uni-paderborn.de"><span style="color:purple">mailto:mei-l-bounces@lists.uni-paderborn.de</span></a>]<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Andrew Hankinson<br>
<b>Sent:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Wednesday, September 30, 2015 4:42 PM<br>
<b>To:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Music Encoding Initiative<br>
<b>Subject:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>[MEI-L] Bracketed Lines in MEI</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hello all,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I'm looking at the following:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">It seems that the best element to use in this case would be 'line'; however, the line element currently does not support durational attributes (@dur, @dur.ges, @tstamp, @tstamp2) or positional (@staff, @layer, @place). <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Is there a better element to use for this object, or should a modification be proposed for the schema?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Many thanks,<o:p></o:p></p>
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