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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Hi Raffaele,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">The short answer is, <mordent>, <trill>, and <turn> can’t be combined to represent more complex ornaments.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">The longer answer is, they weren’t intended to be used that way. These elements are named, simple instances of the more generic element <dir>, which should be used in cases like this. One can use character entity
references to either Unicode or SMuFL entities to indicate the desired symbol For example,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"><dir></dir><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">The resolution of such directives should be encoded inside the stream of events; that is, within <layer>. The notated and performed versions can be wrapped with <choice> and its sub-elements such as <orig> and
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"> <orig><!-- written note --></orig><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"> <reg><!-- resolution of the ornament (probably multiple notes) --></reg><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> mei-l [mailto:mei-l-bounces+pdr4h=virginia.edu@lists.uni-paderborn.de]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Raffaele Viglianti<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, July 12, 2015 7:18 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Music Encoding Initiative<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [MEI-L] Combining MEI ornament elements<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Dear list,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I was wondering if it is possible to combine two ornaments in MEi to describe one ornament on the page.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">(Please forgive any possible misunderstandings because of my limited knowledge of ornamentation outside of common symbols and little more.)<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">For example how could I encode the type of mordent that in SMuFL is called "mordent with release"? <br>
<a href="http://www.smufl.org/version/latest/glyph/ornamentPrecompMordentRelease/">http://www.smufl.org/version/latest/glyph/ornamentPrecompMordentRelease/</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The MEI encoding would definitely depend on context. Factors that will determine the encoding are: what kind of score is it in; who is the composer; which geographical place is the composer writing in; time/era of composition; and many
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<p class="MsoNormal">Either way, none of the MEI elements <mordent>, <trill>, and <turn> will be able to represent it adequately on its own. It will need to be a combination of those elements.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Based solely on my training as a pianist, I would guess that this ornament should be treated as a trill plus a turn. If it were on a c note, I would resolve it as d-c-d-c d-c-b-c.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I might be wrong about the exact resolution, but bear with me for the sake of discussing combining MEI ornaments.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">So I could encode this "mordent with release" with:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><trill /><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><turn form="norm"/><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I could then connect them together with @prev and @next<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><trill xml:id="trill_1" next="#turn_1" /><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><turn xml:id="turn_1" form="norm" prev="#turn_1"/><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">That could be enough for what MEI is concerned. Do you agree? Is there a better way of encoding this?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Finally, what if I wanted to map this to a specific rendition? eg to a SMuFL code, or my own SVG drawing? -- if I understand correctly, this is what the user defined symbol module is for (for some elements) [1].<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">However, there is currently no way of using the user defined symbol module for mapping one ornament element to a symbol. Though there is good reason to believe this is in the process of being adjusted for the 2015 release [2] [3]. This
will likely be done with @altsym, and/or other dedicated attributes.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">But even with that upgrade in mind, how would I map my "combined" elements with one symbol? The only solution I could think of is a bit redundant, ideas?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><trill xml:id="trill_1" next="#turn_1" altsym="#combinedSymbol" /><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><turn xml:id="turn_1" form="norm" prev="#turn_1" altsym="#combinedSymbol"/><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">(this is invalid in MEI 2014, but possibly valid in 2015)<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Raff<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">[1] <a href="http://music-encoding.org/documentation/2.1.1/userSymbols/">http://music-encoding.org/documentation/2.1.1/userSymbols/</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">[2] <a href="https://github.com/music-encoding/music-encoding/issues/232">https://github.com/music-encoding/music-encoding/issues/232</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">[3] <a href="https://github.com/music-encoding/music-encoding/issues/214#issuecomment-118944042">https://github.com/music-encoding/music-encoding/issues/214#issuecomment-118944042</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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