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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Hi, All,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I think the convention of signaling or reiterating cancelled accidentals varies quite a bit with publisher and period. We have certainly encountered them quite a bit. My non-scientific impression is that that they steadily increase over time into recent decades. That is, as harmonies become more distance, forewarning and redundancy become more desirable.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>There are at least two common models: (1) cancel, or introduce, accidentals just before a light double bar and/or at the end of a system as a cue to the performer, or (2) simply change them at the start of the relevant passage, especially if it is coincident with a meter change. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Definitely a challenge to standardization!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Eleanor<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'>Eleanor Selfridge-Field<br>Consulting Professor, Music (and, by courtesy, Symbolic Systems)<br>Braun Music Center #129<br>Stanford University<br>Stanford, CA 94305-3076, USA<br><a href="http://web.stanford.edu/~esfield/">http://web.stanford.edu/~esfield/</a> +1/ 650 725-9242</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> mei-l [mailto:mei-l-bounces@lists.uni-paderborn.de] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Andrew Hankinson<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, September 04, 2014 2:26 PM<br><b>To:</b> Music Encoding Initiative<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [MEI-L] "Cancelling" key signatures<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>If there’s an explicit change in printed key signature it’s not really necessary to cancel the sharps, as far as I know. So you would not write 3n1s, since a change from 3s to 1s is explicit. Even 3s to 3f would be fine. <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>It’s really only the absence of any key signature (Cmaj/Amin) where an explicit change with naturals would be needed to clarify that the key signature has changed.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>-Andrew<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Sep 4, 2014, at 5:21 PM, Laurent Pugin <<a href="mailto:lxpugin@gmail.com">lxpugin@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p>Hi Andrew, <o:p></o:p></p><p>I would expect this to be done at the rendering. For example, naturals would be added when changing from 4s to 1s. But maybe I am overlooking something.<o:p></o:p></p><p>In any case, I am not sure your regexp would do the job since you would probably need to have both s or f together with n. For example 3n1s for the aforementioned case. <o:p></o:p></p><p>Laurent <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Sep 4, 2014 10:29 PM, "Andrew Hankinson" <<a href="mailto:andrew.hankinson@gmail.com">andrew.hankinson@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Hi all,<br><br>The data.KEYSIGNATURE regex specifies the following valid values: "mixed|0|[1-7][f|s]”.<br><br>However, naturals may also appear in a key signature to clarify cancelling a key signature; for example, if you were to go from Gmaj to Cmaj, you may wish to write a natural in the key signature to indicate the new key.<br><br>Perhaps the regex should be amended to: "mixed|0|[1-7][f|s|n]”?<br><br>Or is there another suggestion?<br><br>Cheers,<br>-Andrew<br><br><br><br><br>_______________________________________________<br>mei-l mailing list<br><a href="mailto:mei-l@lists.uni-paderborn.de">mei-l@lists.uni-paderborn.de</a><br><a href="https://lists.uni-paderborn.de/mailman/listinfo/mei-l" target="_blank">https://lists.uni-paderborn.de/mailman/listinfo/mei-l</a><o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div><p class=MsoNormal>_______________________________________________<br>mei-l mailing list<br><a href="mailto:mei-l@lists.uni-paderborn.de">mei-l@lists.uni-paderborn.de</a><br><a href="https://lists.uni-paderborn.de/mailman/listinfo/mei-l">https://lists.uni-paderborn.de/mailman/listinfo/mei-l</a><o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></div></body></html>