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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">Hi Perry<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">MerMEId has never been set up to allow more than a single <p> within <event>, so at least among MerMEId users I am pretty sure no-one has actually produced events
containing several paragraphs. From this perspective, a single element allowing mixed content would be fine. But I still think there is need for something else than <label> (or <head>). To me, both ‘label’ and ‘head’ signify something that goes before or above
the text/data, like ‘Label: Data’. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">I am not convinced that the text in my example is in fact a label. I at least don’t think of it that way. In MerMEId, the corresponding input is labeled ‘Description’,
indicating the intention we had. In the context of <provenance> we provide two input fields: one for the date of the event and one for the ‘Description’. What I had in mind was an output like:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">2016-03-16: [Description of the event]<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">For the description, we give the example ‘Purchased by The Royal Library from John Doe’. That’s not really a label for the date, is it? I’d definitely prefer adding
<desc> (which I think is also a much better name than the layout-oriented <p>); then I’d be perfectly happy with the ‘structured’ choice.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">As to the label/head name: Technically, renaming <head> to <label> is no problem, of course. Semantically I don’t really see the difference, so I just wonder why
we need to break compatibility at that point. But if you prefer renaming it to <label> then go ahead :-)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">Oh, watching the repo... Well. Here comes the embarrassing part: I still haven’t figured out how to work with GitHub. SVN was manageable, but Git goes beyond my
abilities. I vaguely understand the principle, but I haven’t found a way to work with it that actually works for me. I also tried several tools but had to give it up every time because I realized that I really don’t know what I am doing
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Batang","serif";color:black">–</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"> or what I am supposed to do. Sorry, but I’ve given up on it.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">Suddenly feeling old,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">Axel<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="DA" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">Fra:</span></b><span lang="DA" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> mei-catalog-ig [mailto:mei-catalog-ig-bounces@lists.uni-paderborn.de]
<b>På vegne af </b>Roland, Perry D. (pdr4h)<br>
<b>Sendt:</b> 16. marts 2016 16:02<br>
<b>Til:</b> MEI Metadata and Cataloging Interest Group<br>
<b>Emne:</b> Re: [mei-catalog-ig] Proposed changes to <event> and <history> in MEI 3.0.0<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Hi Axel,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">In your example I think the text “Concert for the benefit of the poor. First performance.” is in fact a label for data provided in the <date>, <geogName>, and <persName> elements. Perhaps I wasn’t as thorough as I could have been, but
in my examination of the way <event> has been used (by you and others), I didn’t find any use of <p> that made it significantly different from <label>. In all cases I saw, the <p> element contained fairly short text strings without any other internal structure
common to paragraphs, such as line breaks, internal lists, etc. In addition, the name “paragraph” usually implies a certain presentation, often as a distinct block of text , that I believe doesn’t apply in this case.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">In spite of my earlier statement, I now think it *is* important to draw a distinction between structured and unstructured content for <event>. Leaving the parsing/teasing apart a mixed model to a downstream processor is not a good choice.
As painful as it might be now, I’d rather have the choice made at the time of encoding rather than at the point of publishing/rendering.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">I agree that using <desc> as a grouping mechanism for multiple <p> elements or adding a grouping element for multiple <desc> children isn’t necessary. I would also add that if we agree that “grouping ‘loose’ paragraphs mixed in between
the more ‘data-like’ elements” tends “to make the encoding quite messy”, then we should also agree that allowing even a single paragraph between data-like elements is just as messy.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks for speaking up. Believe me, I struggled with this quite a bit. I’m sorry I didn’t consult you directly. I naively thought that you were watching the GitHub repo and that your silence indicated agreement with the proposed changes.
Although I am a little wary of the pressure it might create to add <desc> in many other places, I’m not completely opposed to adding <desc> to model.eventPart, where <desc> has the same content model as <label>. This would allow us to “have our cake and it
eat it too”; that is, allow a somewhat more expansive description within an otherwise database-like model for <event> while simultaneously permitting an unstructured (or, if you will, more loosely structured) model. The most important thing for me is to avoid
the ambiguous content model that is created when <p> is part of both options. By the way, to minimize the amount of change we could even go back to using <head> instead of <label>. :-)<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">There’s still time to make these changes before the official release, I think. But, I will defer to Johannes, who’s in the process of preparing the Guidelines, web site, etc.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">--<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">p.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> mei-catalog-ig [<a href="mailto:mei-catalog-ig-bounces@lists.uni-paderborn.de">mailto:mei-catalog-ig-bounces@lists.uni-paderborn.de</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Axel Teich Geertinger<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, March 16, 2016 5:22 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'mei-catalog-ig@lists.uni-paderborn.de'<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [mei-catalog-ig] Proposed changes to <event> and <history> in MEI 3.0.0<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">Hi Perry & metadata group<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">Finally I have found some time to review the proposed changes to the header in the MEI 3.0.0 pre-release. I noticed a change in the <event> model that I'd like
to ask about. It has to do with the combination of structured and non-structured content. In our discussion in November (below) we were focusing on the grouping of events within event lists. This has been implemented in the new schema as agreed. No problem.
In your original post you also addressed the content of the <event> model (semi-structured vs. non-structured). I am sorry that I didn’t respond to that earlier.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">The current schema (2.1.0) has the following model for <event>:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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</span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#000096"><ref</span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#F5844C"> name</span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#FF8040">=</span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#993300">"att.lang.attributes"</span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#000096">/></span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black"><br>
</span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#000096"><empty/></span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black"><br>
</span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#000096"></element></span><span style="font-size:6.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">whereas the proposed 3.0.0 schema has<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#000096"><element</span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#F5844C"> name</span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#FF8040">=</span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#993300">"event"</span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#000096">></span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black"><br>
</span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#000096"><optional></span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black"><br>
</span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#000096"><ref</span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#F5844C"> name</span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#FF8040">=</span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#993300">"mei_model.labelLike"</span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#000096">/></span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black"><br>
</span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#000096"></optional></span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black"><br>
</span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#000096"><choice></span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black"><br>
</span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#000096"><zeroOrMore></span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black"><br>
</span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#000096"><ref</span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#F5844C"> name</span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#FF8040">=</span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#993300">"mei_model.eventPart"</span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#000096">/></span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black"><br>
</span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#000096"></zeroOrMore></span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black"><br>
</span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#000096"><zeroOrMore></span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black"><br>
</span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#000096"><choice></span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black"><br>
</span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#000096"><ref</span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#F5844C"> name</span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#FF8040">=</span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#993300">"mei_model.pLike"</span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#000096">/></span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black"><br>
</span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#000096"><ref</span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#F5844C"> name</span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#FF8040">=</span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#993300">"mei_model.tableLike"</span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#000096">/></span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black"><br>
</span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#000096"><ref</span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#F5844C"> name</span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#FF8040">=</span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#993300">"mei_castList"</span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#000096">/></span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black"><br>
</span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#000096"><ref</span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#F5844C"> name</span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#FF8040">=</span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#993300">"mei_eventList"</span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#000096">/></span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black"><br>
</span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#000096"><ref</span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#F5844C"> name</span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#FF8040">=</span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#993300">"mei_list"</span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#000096">/></span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black"><br>
</span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#000096"></choice></span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black"><br>
</span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#000096"></zeroOrMore></span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black"><br>
</span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#000096"></choice></span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black"><br>
</span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#000096"><zeroOrMore></span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black"><br>
</span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#000096"><ref</span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#F5844C"> name</span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#FF8040">=</span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#993300">"mei_biblList"</span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#000096">/></span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black"><br>
</span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#000096"></zeroOrMore></span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black"><br>
</span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#000096"><ref</span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#F5844C"> name</span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#FF8040">=</span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#993300">"mei_att.bibl.attributes"</span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#000096">/></span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black"><br>
</span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#000096"><ref</span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#F5844C"> name</span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#FF8040">=</span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#993300">"mei_att.calendared.attributes"</span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#000096">/></span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black"><br>
</span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#000096"><ref</span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#F5844C"> name</span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#FF8040">=</span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#993300">"mei_att.common.attributes"</span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#000096">/></span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black"><br>
</span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#000096"><ref</span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#F5844C"> name</span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#FF8040">=</span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#993300">"mei_att.datable.attributes"</span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#000096">/></span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black"><br>
</span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#000096"><ref</span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#F5844C"> name</span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#FF8040">=</span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#993300">"mei_att.edit.attributes"</span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#000096">/></span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black"><br>
</span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#000096"><ref</span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#F5844C"> name</span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#FF8040">=</span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#993300">"mei_att.facsimile.attributes"</span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#000096">/></span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black"><br>
</span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#000096"><ref</span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#F5844C"> name</span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#FF8040">=</span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#993300">"mei_att.lang.attributes"</span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#000096">/></span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black"><br>
</span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#000096"><ref</span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#F5844C"> name</span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#FF8040">=</span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#993300">"mei_att.typed.attributes"</span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#000096">/></span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black"><br>
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</span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#000096"></element></span><span style="font-size:6.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">You and I had a private discussion about this in February/March 2013. Your conclusion then was:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">>I now think the best course of action is not to try to create two choices (semi-structured vs. free),
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">>but rather to return to intermingling the elements of both options and letting the chips fall where they may.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">Then why did we end up having to choose between the two approaches now? If I have forgotten or overlooked something, please remind me.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">It causes me problems because personally, and because of the way MerMEId works, I prefer a rather structured approach. However, I still would like to be able
to add an explanatory or descriptive text to the event also. The new <label> doesn’t seem to be the right place. Back in 2013 you suggested adding a <desc> element to the event model, and that would be just fine. A <label> is described as ‘a text that identifies
the feature to which it is attached’. That’s something quite different, isn’t it? Why not <desc>?
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">Basically, I would prefer not having to choose either a structured or a non-structured model. I am quite fond of this combination of some basic, precisely defined,
‘data-like’ information and some prose added to it. We use it all the time. <o:p>
</o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">The suggested <event> model prevents me for from this kind of use both when listing performances within <history> and when describing source transmission in
<provenance>. In both cases I have some quite well-defined information such as the date and the persons involved, and some descriptive text.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">An example. Here’s a performance encoded as an MEI 2.1.0 event:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#000096"><event</span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#F5844C"> xml:id</span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#FF8040">=</span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#993300">"event_d1e66836522"</span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#000096">></span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black"><br>
</span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#000096"><date</span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#F5844C"> isodate</span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#FF8040">=</span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#993300">"1846-03-23"</span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#000096">></span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black">23
March 1846</span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#000096"></date></span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black"><br>
</span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#000096"><geogName</span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#F5844C"> role</span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#FF8040">=</span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#993300">"venue"</span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#F5844C">
xml:id</span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#FF8040">=</span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#993300">"geogName_d910d5f3"</span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#000096">></span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black">Gewandhaus</span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#000096"></geogName></span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black"><br>
</span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#000096"><geogName</span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#F5844C"> role</span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#FF8040">=</span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#993300">"place"</span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#F5844C">
xml:id</span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#FF8040">=</span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#993300">"geogName_b69c0299"</span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#000096">></span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black">Leipzig</span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#000096"></geogName></span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black">
</span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#000096"><persName</span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#F5844C"> role</span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#FF8040">=</span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#993300">"conductor"</span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#F5844C">
xml:id</span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#FF8040">=</span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#993300">"persName_b598dc1e"</span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#000096">></span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black">Gade</span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#000096"></persName></span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black"><br>
</span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#000096"><persName</span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#F5844C"> role</span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#FF8040">=</span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#993300">"soloist"</span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#F5844C">
xml:id</span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#FF8040">=</span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#993300">"persName_ed9dabab"</span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#000096">></span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black">Franziska
Schwarzbach</span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#000096"></persName></span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black"><br>
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</span><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#000096"></event></span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">The <p> containing the descriptive text – which could be any length – would have to be converted to <label> in MEI 3.0.0, which doesn’t sound quite right to
me. And what if I have more than one <p>? There can be only one <label>. And above all: In what way does the existing <p> element – ruin the structuredness of the encoding more than <label> does? They both may contain mixed, that is, non-structured, content.
So even with the new model, the ‘structured’ option is likely to contain non-structured information. I don’t see that as a problem. Non-structured content can easily be ignored by software dealing with the structured parts only. So why bother changing the
<event> model at all?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">I do think that introducing a <desc> element or the like to wrap the potential unlimited number of paragraphs would be a good idea, though. Those ‘loose’ paragraphs
mixed in between the more ‘data-like’ elements do tend to make the encoding quite messy. I’d be happy to have them wrapped in some container to isolate them from the other information.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">Best, Axel<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="DA" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----<br>
Fra: mei-l [<a href="mailto:mei-l-bounces+atge=kb.dk@lists.uni-paderborn.de">mailto:mei-l-bounces+atge=kb.dk@lists.uni-paderborn.de</a>] På vegne af Roland, Perry D. (pdr4h)<br>
Sendt: 13. november 2015 12:06<br>
Til: Music Encoding Initiative<br>
Emne: Re: [MEI-L] FW: changes to <eventList> and <event><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="DA" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">Hi Axel,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">I'm happy we could reach consensus on this. Unless I hear objections in the next couple of days, I'll go ahead with this change.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">--<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">p.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">__________________________<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">Perry Roland<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">Music Library<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">University of Virginia<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="DA" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">P. O. Box 400175<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="DA" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">Charlottesville, VA 22904<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">434-982-2702 (w)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">pdr4h (at) virginia (dot) edu<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">________________________________________<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">From: mei-l [mei-l-bounces@lists.uni-paderborn.de] on behalf of Axel Teich Geertinger [atge@kb.dk]<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">Sent: Friday, November 13, 2015 3:53 AM<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">To: Music Encoding Initiative<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">Subject: Re: [MEI-L] FW: changes to <eventList> and <event><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">Hi Perry<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">Your eventList model looks fine to me.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="DA" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">/axel<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="DA" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="DA" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="DA" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="DA" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">Fra: mei-l [</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"><a href="mailto:mei-l-bounces+atge=kb.dk@lists.uni-paderborn.de"><span lang="DA" style="color:black;text-decoration:none">mailto:mei-l-bounces+atge=kb.dk@lists.uni-paderborn.de</span></a></span><span lang="DA" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">]
På vegne af Roland, Perry D. (pdr4h)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="DA" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">Sendt: 11. november 2015 17:43<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="DA" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">Til: Music Encoding Initiative<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">Emne: Re: [MEI-L] FW: changes to <eventList> and <event><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">Hi Axel,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">I was coming to a similar conclusion, so thanks for proposing a compromise solution. Your model of eventGrp, however, doesn't allow for continued nesting of
<eventGrp> elements. So, I'd like to counter with the following models which merge eventList and eventGrp into a single entity --<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">For eventList:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"><content><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"> <rng:zeroOrMore><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"> <rng:ref name="model.headLike"/><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"> </rng:zeroOrMore><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"> <rng:zeroOrMore><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"> <rng:group><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"> <!-- an organizing data element --><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"> <rng:optional><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"> <rng:ref name="model.eventPart"/><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"> </rng:optional><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"> <!-- an event description or another list of events --><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"> <rng:choice><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"> <rng:ref name="event"/><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"> <rng:ref name="eventList"/><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"> </rng:choice><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"> </rng:group><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"> </rng:zeroOrMore><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"> <!-- at the very end, lists of citations --><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"> <rng:zeroOrMore><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"> <rng:ref name="biblList"/><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"> </rng:zeroOrMore><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"></content><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">For event:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"><content><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"> <rng:optional><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"> <rng:ref name="model.labelLike"/><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"> </rng:optional><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"><rng:choice><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"> <!-- data-like organization --><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"> <rng:zeroOrMore><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"> <rng:choice><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"> <rng:ref name="model.eventPart"/><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"> <rng:ref name="eventList"/><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"> </rng:choice><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"> </rng:zeroOrMore><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"> <!-- free-form organization --><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"> <rng:zeroOrMore><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"> <rng:choice><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"> <!-- model.listLike is expanded here in order to disallow biblList --><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"> <rng:ref name="model.pLike"/><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"> <rng:ref name="model.tableLike"/><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"> <rng:ref name="castList"/><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"> <rng:ref name="eventList"/><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"> <rng:ref name="list"/><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"> </rng:choice><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"> </rng:zeroOrMore><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"> </rng:choice><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"> <rng:zeroOrMore><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"><rng:ref name="biblList"/><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"> </rng:zeroOrMore><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"></content><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">By making the "grouping key" optional, the model of <eventList> does allow for mixing of events grouped on a date, place, person, etc. and a "simple" list of
events, but I see that as a good thing, not an impediment. This makes it possible to eliminate <eventGrp> and matches the behavior of other list-like structures (where a list contains a mixture of item and subordinate lists). Most importantly, the model
of <event> now meets the original goal -- a clear distinction between a database-like approach to recording the event description and a free-text approach.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">I've removed the <listHead> formatting element. We can always take that up again at a later date. I still maintain that they're useful, but I'll also forego
the @mark and @order formatting attributes. That battle can wait, too.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">--<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">p.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> -----Original Message-----<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> From: mei-catalog-ig [mailto:mei-catalog-ig-bounces@lists.uni-<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> paderborn.de] On Behalf Of Axel Teich Geertinger<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2015 8:10 AM<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> To: Music Encoding Initiative<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> Cc:
<a href="mailto:mei-catalog-ig@lists.uni-paderborn.de"><span style="color:black;text-decoration:none">mei-catalog-ig@lists.uni-paderborn.de</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> Subject: Re: [mei-catalog-ig] [MEI-L] FW: changes to <eventList> and
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> <event><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> Hi Johannes & Perry<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> This discussion is started on both MEI-L and MEI-Catalog-IG; I'm
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> posting my reply to both lists, but in order not to exclude anyone now
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> I suggest we continue the discussion on MEI-L only.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> I agree with Johannes that an alternating sequence of date and event
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> elements would be a way of looking for trouble. If I want to delete an
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> event or change the order of events, I would have to make sure always
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> to do the same with the preceding date sibling. If there is any. I
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> would definitely prefer being able to address an event or group of
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> events as a single element without having to care about any siblings.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> Also, Perry's model (if I read your suggestion correctly) implies that
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> it would not be possible to have an <event> without a preceding
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> <date>. But we are not always able to date events. Even if <date>
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> could be left empty, the construct would seem somehow awkward to me.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> Finally, from a purely practical perspective, the way we handle
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> elements would make it a pain to maintain and edit such a list of alternating elements.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> If we are introducing <eventGrp>, we have a clear way of
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> distinguishing a list of events (that is, a possibly unordered,
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> non-grouped <eventList>) from a group of events that have something in
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> common. Let's not mix them up. If we want to group events by date, we
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> could do so by allowing <date> or any eventPart element within <eventGrp> (but not in <eventList>):<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> <eventList><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> <event><!-- some single event --></event><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> <eventGrp><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> <!-- a group of events --><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> <date><!-- the grouping parameter - could also be geogName etc.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> instead -<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> -></date><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> <event><!-- event 1 --></event><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> <event><!-- event 2 etc. --></event><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> </eventGrp><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> </eventList><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> Alternatively, the @isodate approach could be used on <eventGrp>.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="DA" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="DA" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> /axel<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="DA" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="DA" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> -----Oprindelig meddelelse-----<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="DA" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> Fra: mei-l [</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"><a href="mailto:mei-l-bounces+atge=kb.dk@lists.uni-paderborn.de"><span lang="DA" style="color:black;text-decoration:none">mailto:mei-l-bounces+atge=kb.dk@lists.uni-paderborn.de</span></a></span><span lang="DA" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">]
På <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="DA" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> vegne af Johannes Kepper<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="DA" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> Sendt: 10. november 2015 00:20<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> Til: Music Encoding Initiative<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> Emne: Re: [MEI-L] FW: changes to <eventList> and <event><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> Hi Perry,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> I understand (and fully support) your motivation to clean up events.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> However, could you please refresh my memory and indicate the current /
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> planned content of event? Maybe I understand your proposal to move all
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> these things out of events better with that model in mind. As you
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> know, we use even annots in a data-like way, and while I agree that
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> both annots and events are perfectly valid to take free-form content,
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> I'm still in love with structured things - maybe just a couple of
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> attributes. Or would it be an alternative to provide separate elements
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> for free-form and structured content, like <annot> and <annotStruct> or <event> and <eventStruct>?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> Just guessing.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> jo<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> Am 09.11.2015 um 23:56 schrieb Roland, Perry D. (pdr4h)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> <<a href="mailto:pdr4h@eservices.virginia.edu"><span style="color:black;text-decoration:none">pdr4h@eservices.virginia.edu</span></a>>:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> ><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> > Our current handling of <eventList> is a mess, which reduces its
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> > effectiveness for data interchange and interoperability. Clarifying
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> > its possible content can counteract this tendency. It's relatively
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> > easy to provide alternative grouping mechanisms. For instance, a
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> > content model for <eventList> like --<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> ><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> > <content><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> > <rng:zeroOrMore><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> > <rng:ref name="model.headLike"/><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> > </rng:zeroOrMore><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> > <rng:optional><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> > <rng:ref name="listHead"/><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> > </rng:optional><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> > <rng:zeroOrMore><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> > <rng:group><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> > <rng:choice><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> > <rng:ref name="model.eventPart"/><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> > </rng:choice><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> > <rng:choice><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> > <rng:ref name="event"/><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> > <rng:ref name="eventGrp"/><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> > </rng:choice><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> > </rng:group><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> > </rng:zeroOrMore><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> > <rng:zeroOrMore><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> > <rng:ref name="biblList"/><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> > </rng:zeroOrMore><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> > </content><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> ><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> > would allow any member of model.eventPart to act as the organizing
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> > "term". For instance,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> ><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> > <eventList><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> > <date><!-- date of event --></date><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> > <event><!-- event description --></event><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> > <!-- and so on --><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> > </eventList><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> ><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> > or<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> ><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> > <eventList><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> > <geogName><!-- place of event --></geogName><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> > <event><!-- event description --></event><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> > <!-- and so on --><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> > </eventList><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> ><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> > or<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> ><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> > <eventList><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> > <persName><!-- personal name, of conductor for example --
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> ></persName><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> > <event><!-- event description --></event><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> > <!-- and so on --><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> > </eventList><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> ><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> > are all possible. This is the essentially the model used by HTML
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> > for <dl>, by<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> EAD for <chronlist>, and by TEI for <list> of @type "gloss". The
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> difficulty, of course, is ensuring that each event in a list is
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> preceded by the same kind of element. I'm not sure if this is
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> possible using RNG alone, but it can certainly be enforced using Schematron.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> ><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> > --<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> > p.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> ><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> ><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >> -----Original Message-----<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >> From: mei-l [<a href="mailto:mei-l-bounces@lists.uni-paderborn.de"><span style="color:black;text-decoration:none">mailto:mei-l-bounces@lists.uni-paderborn.de</span></a>]
On Behalf <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >> Of Johannes Kepper<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >> Sent: Monday, November 09, 2015 4:40 PM<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >> To: Music Encoding Initiative<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >> Subject: Re: [MEI-L] FW: changes to <eventList> and <event><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="DE" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="DE" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="DE" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >> Am 09.11.2015 um 22:28 schrieb Roland, Perry D. (pdr4h)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >> <<a href="mailto:pdr4h@eservices.virginia.edu"><span style="color:black;text-decoration:none">pdr4h@eservices.virginia.edu</span></a>>:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >>><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >>> An <eventGrp> element containing <event> with the current model
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >>> makes<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >> no sense as there's no indication of the grouping criterion. The
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >> <date> followed by <eventGrp> construct makes it clear that the
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >> events are grouped by date. In fact, that's the only way to group
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >> them<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> using this model.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >> Ok, what constitutes a group of events? What does it mean to have
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >> events grouped? Is there any other grouping mechanism other than by
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >> date? Does it make sense to have events grouped by place? If so,
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >> why don't we factor in groups (by date, for instance) and subgroups
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >> (by place)? Or is it maybe better to let the grouping be done by
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >> applications, based on structured markup like @isodate, @resp,
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >> @type<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> and similar options?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >>><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >>> It is nothing like the concept of chords that you raise.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >> I need to look into the preceding sibling to fully understand the
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >> current element...<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >>> Order is a good thing here as it makes the structure of the data clear.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >>><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >> jo<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >>> --<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >>> p.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >>><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >>><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >>>> -----Original Message-----<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >>>> From: mei-l [<a href="mailto:mei-l-bounces@lists.uni-paderborn.de"><span style="color:black;text-decoration:none">mailto:mei-l-bounces@lists.uni-paderborn.de</span></a>]
On <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >>>> Behalf Of Johannes Kepper<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >>>> Sent: Monday, November 09, 2015 4:20 PM<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >>>> To: Music Encoding Initiative<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >>>> Subject: Re: [MEI-L] FW: changes to <eventList> and <event><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >>>><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >>>> I'm sorry to say, but I'm not convinced by this one either. I see
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >>>> the point to have an eventGroup element, but everything else
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >>>> seems rather dubious to me. By all means, I would like to keep
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >>>> the date inside events, even for free- form text-driven events
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >>>> (in contrast to data-driven events). Also, I hate the idea to
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >>>> have an alternation of events and something, and have to rely on
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >>>> document order to understand the meaning of something - this gets
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >>>> pretty close to MusicXML's concept of chords, doesn't it? Are
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >>>> there any real-world limitations that motivate this proposal? If
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >>>> so, could we discuss it with<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >> those examples on the table?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="DE" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >>>><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="DE" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >>>> jo<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="DE" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >>>><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="DE" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >>>><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="DE" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >>>> Am 09.11.2015 um 22:07 schrieb Roland, Perry D. (pdr4h)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >>>> <<a href="mailto:pdr4h@eservices.virginia.edu"><span style="color:black;text-decoration:none">pdr4h@eservices.virginia.edu</span></a>>:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >>>><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >>>>><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >>>>> I sent this message to the cataloging interest group list earlier.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >>>>> I apologize if<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >>>> you receive it twice, but I thought it would be a good idea to
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >>>> post to this list as well in the interest of generating as much
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >>>> discussion as<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >> possible.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >>>>><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >>>>> BTW, this is not a new feature, but rather a remedy for an
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >>>>> existing bug. But<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >>>> I think it's finally squashed this time.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >>>>><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >>>>> --<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >>>>> p.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >>>>><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >>>>><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >>>>> From: Roland, Perry D. (pdr4h)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >>>>> Sent: Monday, November 09, 2015 3:46 PM<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >>>>> To: 'mei-catalog-ig@lists.uni-paderborn.de'<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >>>>> Subject: changes to <eventList> and <event><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >>>>><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >>>>><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >>>>> I know we've had a few rounds of discussion about the content
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >>>>> models of<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >>>> <eventList> and <event> in the past. I think there are basically<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >>>> 2 issues currently facing us:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >>>>><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >>>>> * eventList contains a bug that doesn't allow grouping events that<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >> share<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >>>> the same date<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >>>>> * the model of event is too vague<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >>>>><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >>>>> I propose to remedy the first problem by using the following
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >>>>> content model<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >>>> for <eventList>:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >>>>><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >>>>> eventList (head*, listHead?, (date, (event | eventGrp))*, biblList*)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >>>>><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >>>>> By placing <date> outside the model of <event>, the main content
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >>>>> of <eventList> can be constrained to be any number of pairs of
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >>>>> <date> and <event> elements, like so -<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >>>>><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >>>>> <eventList><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >>>>> <date><!-- when "it" happened --></date><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >>>>> <event><!-- what happened --><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >>>>> <date><!-- another happening --></date><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >>>>> <event><!-- another description --><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >>>>> <!-- and so on --><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >>>>> </eventList><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >>>>><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >>>>> Or, when multiple events share the same date, like so --<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >>>>><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >>>>> <eventList><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >>>>> <date><!-- the date --></date><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >>>>> <eventGrp> <!-- the events occurring on the date --><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >>>>> <event>Event 1</event><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >>>>> <event> Event 2</event><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >>>>> <!-- and so on --><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >>>>> </eventGrp><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >>>>> </eventList><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >>>>><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >>>>> The new model also introduces listHead, a new formatting element.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >>>>> <listHead> contains a pair of <head> elements, one for each
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >>>>> column in the eventList date-event pair. This makes it possible
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >>>>> to treat the list of events as though it were a table with a
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >>>>> column heading for the dates and a heading for the descriptions.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >>>>> Of course, eventList/head continues to contain a heading for the
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >>>>> entire list<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >>>>> --<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >>>>><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >>>>> <eventList><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >>>>> <head>My List o' Special Events</head> <listHead><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >>>>> <head>When</head><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >>>>> <head>What</head><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >>>>> </listHead><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >>>>> <event/><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >>>>> <event/><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >>>>> </eventList><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >>>>><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >>>>> I plan to investigate how this might work for other lists as
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >>>>> well, such as<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >>>> <biblList>, <castList>, and <list>. Any list that allows a label
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >>>> preceding its "items" could benefit from this treatment, I think.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >>>>><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >>>>> One more change -- <eventList> is now a member of
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >>>>> model.listLike,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >>>> meaning it can occur not just in the header but anywhere a "regular"<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >>>> list can happen.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >>>>><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >>>>> The <event> element now has the following model (switching to
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >>>>> RNG as it's somewhat clearer than DTD syntax) --<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >>>>><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >>>>> <content><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >>>>> <rng:optional><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >>>>> <rng:ref name="model.labelLike"/> </rng:optional> <rng:choice><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >>>>> <!-- data-like organization --><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >>>>> <rng:zeroOrMore><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >>>>> <rng:choice><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >>>>> <rng:ref name="model.eventPart"/><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >>>>> <rng:ref name="eventList"/><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >>>>> </rng:choice><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >>>>> </rng:zeroOrMore><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >>>>> <!-- free-form organization --><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >>>>> <rng:zeroOrMore><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >>>>> <rng:choice><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >>>>> <!-- model.listLike is expanded here in order to disallow biblList --><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >>>>> <rng:ref name="model.pLike"/><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >>>>> <rng:ref name="model.tableLike"/><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >>>>> <rng:ref name="castList"/><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >>>>> <rng:ref name="eventList"/><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >>>>> <rng:ref name="list"/><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >>>>> </rng:choice><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >>>>> </rng:zeroOrMore><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >>>>> </rng:choice><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >>>>> <rng:zeroOrMore><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >>>>> <rng:ref name="biblList"/><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >>>>> </rng:zeroOrMore><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >>>>> </content><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >>>>><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >>>>> English translation is "an optional label, followed by EITHER
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >>>>> some data-like<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >>>> elements or nested eventLists OR any number of paragraphs,
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >>>> tables, castLists, eventLists, or lists, followed by any number
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >>>> of lists of bibliographic citations."<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >>>>><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >>>>> The central choice (a data-centric organization OR a free-form
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >>>>> text<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >>>>> one) is the important factor here. In purely practical terms,
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >>>>> any file that formerly used a group of data elements followed by
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >>>>> a paragraph will have to be translated into --<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >>>>><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >>>>> <event><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >>>>> <label><!-- former paragraph content --> <geogName/><persName/><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >>>>> <!-- etc. --> </event><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >>>>><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >>>>> This element re-naming and re-ordering is not a difficult task
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >>>>> and can be<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >>>> made part of the 2013 -> 2015 XSLT transformation. If the
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >>>> re-ordering poses a significant issue (that is, you *must* have
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >>>> the data elements followed by the label), I think it's not a
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >>>> problem to allow<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >> that, but please let me know.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >>>>><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >>>>> As always, I apologize for the length of the message and the XML
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >>>>> "gobbledy-gook". I just don't know of any other way to communicate.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >>>>> ;-)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >>>>><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >>>>> --<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >>>>> p.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >>>>><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >>>>> ________________________________ Perry Roland University of
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >>>>> 434-982-2702 (w)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >>>>> pdr4h (at) virginia (dot) edu<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">> >>>>><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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